I agree, gitbook or similar would be a great way to manage the docs for 5.x. 

@Bruce any luck with the extract of the current bits so can play around ?

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> On 12 Dec 2017, at 16:19, Clebert Suconic <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I wanted to emphasize an idea I spoke here:
> 
> 
> Instead of converting the AMQ5 docs back into website format.. I think
> it would be great to have the docs into a MD format so it would be
> just a like a documentation format. gitbook convertible.
> 
> 
> is there a requirement to keep the docs as website? we could think
> differently here, right?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Martyn Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Yes.  I had been chatting with Michael for a while about website updates.
>> We had a bit of back and forth with this design.  Code is always a good
>> place to start.  Cheers.
>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Bruce Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree with the idea of making the site the landing page for all the
>>> sub-projects within the overall ActiveMQ project.
>>> 
>>> You should take a look at the message from Michael Andre Pearce to see his
>>> mockup using the new logo, it's an excellent starting point for a
>>> discussion. Be sure to follow the instructions in the BUILD.md:
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/michaelandrepearce/activemq-
>>> site/blob/master/site/BUILD.md
>>> 
>>> Bruce
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 3:48 AM, Martyn Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Some ideas to kick off design discussion.
>>>> 
>>>> Really what I am trying to convey here is that ActiveMQ is the home of a
>>>> more than just 5.x series.  And to have clear links to each project,
>>>> clicking through would take you to landing page for the project.  This
>>>> essentially would be the landing page for top level ActiveMQ.
>>>> 
>>>> I realise the text in the message needs more work (it's also probably
>>>> worth having a bit of info for each project on the landing page too).
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 1:23 AM, Bruce Snyder <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> This looks great, Michael. It's also a great proof-of-concept, nice
>>> work.
>>>>> I
>>>>> like the look of it, but I don't think we want to completely copy the
>>>>> Metron site, so we will need to change it up.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm working on getting the exported HTML from the ActiveMQ Confluence
>>>>> space
>>>>> and I will dump it into a new git repo.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bruce
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Michael André Pearce <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Agree on jekyll.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Here’s a sample I’ve mocked up with an activemq look and feel (and
>>> much
>>>>>> lighter) based around the new logo
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://github.com/michaelandrepearce/activemq-site/tree/master/site
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I forked from metrons to get most of the bits like Jekyll etc which is
>>>>>> already working.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 7 Dec 2017, at 16:49, Bruce Snyder <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would prefer to use Markdown with the Jekyll framework (
>>>>>>> https://jekyllrb.com/). Jekyll handles Markdown, it handles CSS
>>> (via
>>>>>> SASS)
>>>>>>> and it would allow the site to live in a git repo.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Also, I found that other projects use Jekyll with great success,
>>> here
>>>>> is
>>>>>>> just one example in the Flink project:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://flink.apache.org/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Nice looking site, clearly more modern and fully customizable.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Clebert Suconic <
>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I like the Markdown (or whatever easy format.. non xml based). We
>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> need to choose a framework for that. do you have anything in mind?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I also think we should have a consistent look and feel.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I will be supportive on this...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> First thing will be to have a framework chosen..
>>>>>>>> Second to have a github we collaborate...
>>>>>>>> Third.. maybe we could use one of those video calls to talk about
>>>>> how to
>>>>>>>> do it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:20 PM, Bruce Snyder <
>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Several opinions have been expressed recently that the ActiveMQ
>>>>> website
>>>>>>>>> needs some attention and that Artemis should be made more
>>> prominent.
>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>>>>> like to discuss some ideas to see what we could achieve on this
>>>>> topic.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If we are going to make Artemis more prominent, the first concern
>>> I
>>>>>>>>> identified is that the ActiveMQ website and the Artemis website
>>> are
>>>>>>>>> authored differently. The ActiveMQ website is authored in the
>>>>>> Confluence
>>>>>>>>> wiki and exported to HTML automagically whereas the Artemis
>>> website
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> authored in raw HTML. As a result, the two sites have a very
>>>>> different
>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>> and feel to them. This presents some challenges to using the
>>> content
>>>>>>>>> between the two.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> But this presents other questions -- do we want the two sites to
>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>> similar or different? When someone looks at Artemis content, do we
>>>>> want
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> user to immediately know that they are looking at ActiveMQ content
>>>>> vs.
>>>>>>>>> Artemis based content solely due to the look and feel of the site?
>>>>>> Should
>>>>>>>>> there even be two different sites?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I would prefer to have the site authored in a language that is
>>>>> easier
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> write than HTML (such as Markdown). I would also like the files
>>>>>>>> comprising
>>>>>>>>> the site to live in a git repo. To give the site a modern look and
>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>> means using CSS (e.g., SASS, etc.). All these things can be
>>> achieved
>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>> Jekyll, but first we would need to convert the raw HTML files to
>>>>>> Mardown
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> put in git. I have experimented with some tools to convert HTML to
>>>>>>>> Markdown
>>>>>>>>> and they are less than ideal. Does anyone have any experience with
>>>>>> this?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sorry for the rambling. Anyone else interested to help tackle this
>>>>>> thorny
>>>>>>>>> set of issues?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
>>>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
>>>>> "YC;VT*"
>>>>>> );'
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Clebert Suconic
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
>>> "YC;VT*"
>>>>> );'
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> perl -e 'print
>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
>>> );'
>>>>> 
>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> perl -e 'print
>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
>>> 
>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Clebert Suconic

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