we would need to keep the current ones hidden somewhere.. these links
are 10+ years old.. it would break anyone referring linked docs. Think
of your customers with bookmarks.

@Bruce: WDYT?

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Michael André Pearce
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I agree, gitbook or similar would be a great way to manage the docs for 5.x.
>
> @Bruce any luck with the extract of the current bits so can play around ?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 12 Dec 2017, at 16:19, Clebert Suconic <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I wanted to emphasize an idea I spoke here:
>>
>>
>> Instead of converting the AMQ5 docs back into website format.. I think
>> it would be great to have the docs into a MD format so it would be
>> just a like a documentation format. gitbook convertible.
>>
>>
>> is there a requirement to keep the docs as website? we could think
>> differently here, right?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Martyn Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Yes.  I had been chatting with Michael for a while about website updates.
>>> We had a bit of back and forth with this design.  Code is always a good
>>> place to start.  Cheers.
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Bruce Snyder <[email protected]> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree with the idea of making the site the landing page for all the
>>>> sub-projects within the overall ActiveMQ project.
>>>>
>>>> You should take a look at the message from Michael Andre Pearce to see his
>>>> mockup using the new logo, it's an excellent starting point for a
>>>> discussion. Be sure to follow the instructions in the BUILD.md:
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/michaelandrepearce/activemq-
>>>> site/blob/master/site/BUILD.md
>>>>
>>>> Bruce
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 3:48 AM, Martyn Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Some ideas to kick off design discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Really what I am trying to convey here is that ActiveMQ is the home of a
>>>>> more than just 5.x series.  And to have clear links to each project,
>>>>> clicking through would take you to landing page for the project.  This
>>>>> essentially would be the landing page for top level ActiveMQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> I realise the text in the message needs more work (it's also probably
>>>>> worth having a bit of info for each project on the landing page too).
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 1:23 AM, Bruce Snyder <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This looks great, Michael. It's also a great proof-of-concept, nice
>>>> work.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> like the look of it, but I don't think we want to completely copy the
>>>>>> Metron site, so we will need to change it up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm working on getting the exported HTML from the ActiveMQ Confluence
>>>>>> space
>>>>>> and I will dump it into a new git repo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Michael André Pearce <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agree on jekyll.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here’s a sample I’ve mocked up with an activemq look and feel (and
>>>> much
>>>>>>> lighter) based around the new logo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://github.com/michaelandrepearce/activemq-site/tree/master/site
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I forked from metrons to get most of the bits like Jekyll etc which is
>>>>>>> already working.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7 Dec 2017, at 16:49, Bruce Snyder <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would prefer to use Markdown with the Jekyll framework (
>>>>>>>> https://jekyllrb.com/). Jekyll handles Markdown, it handles CSS
>>>> (via
>>>>>>> SASS)
>>>>>>>> and it would allow the site to live in a git repo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, I found that other projects use Jekyll with great success,
>>>> here
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> just one example in the Flink project:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://flink.apache.org/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nice looking site, clearly more modern and fully customizable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Clebert Suconic <
>>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I like the Markdown (or whatever easy format.. non xml based). We
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> need to choose a framework for that. do you have anything in mind?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I also think we should have a consistent look and feel.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I will be supportive on this...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First thing will be to have a framework chosen..
>>>>>>>>> Second to have a github we collaborate...
>>>>>>>>> Third.. maybe we could use one of those video calls to talk about
>>>>>> how to
>>>>>>>>> do it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:20 PM, Bruce Snyder <
>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Several opinions have been expressed recently that the ActiveMQ
>>>>>> website
>>>>>>>>>> needs some attention and that Artemis should be made more
>>>> prominent.
>>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>>>>>> like to discuss some ideas to see what we could achieve on this
>>>>>> topic.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If we are going to make Artemis more prominent, the first concern
>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> identified is that the ActiveMQ website and the Artemis website
>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> authored differently. The ActiveMQ website is authored in the
>>>>>>> Confluence
>>>>>>>>>> wiki and exported to HTML automagically whereas the Artemis
>>>> website
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> authored in raw HTML. As a result, the two sites have a very
>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>>> and feel to them. This presents some challenges to using the
>>>> content
>>>>>>>>>> between the two.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But this presents other questions -- do we want the two sites to
>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>>>> similar or different? When someone looks at Artemis content, do we
>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> user to immediately know that they are looking at ActiveMQ content
>>>>>> vs.
>>>>>>>>>> Artemis based content solely due to the look and feel of the site?
>>>>>>> Should
>>>>>>>>>> there even be two different sites?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would prefer to have the site authored in a language that is
>>>>>> easier
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> write than HTML (such as Markdown). I would also like the files
>>>>>>>>> comprising
>>>>>>>>>> the site to live in a git repo. To give the site a modern look and
>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>>> means using CSS (e.g., SASS, etc.). All these things can be
>>>> achieved
>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>> Jekyll, but first we would need to convert the raw HTML files to
>>>>>>> Mardown
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> put in git. I have experimented with some tools to convert HTML to
>>>>>>>>> Markdown
>>>>>>>>>> and they are less than ideal. Does anyone have any experience with
>>>>>>> this?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for the rambling. Anyone else interested to help tackle this
>>>>>>> thorny
>>>>>>>>>> set of issues?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
>>>>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
>>>>>> "YC;VT*"
>>>>>>> );'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Clebert Suconic
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
>>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
>>>> "YC;VT*"
>>>>>> );'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> perl -e 'print
>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
>>>> );'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> perl -e 'print
>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
>>>>
>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Clebert Suconic



-- 
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