Sounds like a good time to set the process up. +1 from me as well. -- Regards, Aritra Basu
On Fri, Oct 27, 2023, 6:42 PM Vincent Beck <vincb...@apache.org> wrote: > I like that. I also think it is important to have a process to remove > provider if needed. +1 > > On 2023/10/27 09:00:25 Jarek Potiuk wrote: > > > I think in the case of Qubole it is pretty easy to remove it from the > > provider codebase. I'm pretty sure that almost no one even noticed this > > removal. > > > > Yeah. Agree. This one is pretty "obvious" that's why I would like to > create > > a process for doing it along the way so that in the future if we have > other > > non-obvious cases we can just "follow the process". > > > > BTW.That would be really great to have as with it, we will have a > complete > > "life-cycle" of the providers. > > > > * we know how we approve the new ones > > * we know how we release new versions (Elad is amazing to release them > > every few weeks) > > * we know how we maintain back-compatibility (bumping min-version of > > Airflow that we regularly do ) > > * we know how to involve stakeholders to system-test them and to make > them > > work in a stable way when they connect to external services (Amazon > works, > > Google in Progres, Open API and others promised by Astronomer) > > * we know how to involve stakeholders with mixed-governance in case they > > want older releases (never happened yet but we know how to do it) > > * we know how to suspend and resume them when they prove to be > problematic > > and pass resolution of that to external stakeholders (happened with > Yandex > > - both suspend and resume) > > * we (will finally) know how to retire them when we decide we do not want > > to maintain them - except security fixes - any more > > > > That will pretty much complete our process of "life-cycle" management for > > providers. > > > > J. > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 10:00 PM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> I suggest also removing it from pypi for security reasons. If there > is a > > >> security issue with it then the issue will remain with us. > > >> > > >> > > > I am quite sure we still have to handle security issues if someone > finds > > > them. releasing such a provider will still be possible using the > tag/branch > > > and we will be obliged to release a new version IF it is still used > and a > > > security issue is found. > > > Removal of packages from PyPI does not remove our obligation to fix a > > > security problem. We have also source packages released via > > > downloads.apache.org and archives.apache.org - and those we can't > remove > > > either. > > > > > > I think this is one of the obligations of the Foundation being the > > > "steward" of software it releases - that's why there is also the > attic PMC > > > to manage projects that PMC is unable to support (projects are moved to > > > attic when they fail a roll call from the board with less than 2 PMC > > > members confirming that they are still there and ready to handle > releases > > > if needed. It's also being discussed to be more formal for the CRA > > > regulations right now - "stewards" of the software put on the market > should > > > be responsible for handling security issues in a timely manner). The > act of > > > release with 3 +1s of PMC is a legal act of the Foundation placing > software > > > on the market and we can't make it "unhappen". > > > > > > > > >> B. > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> > > >> > On 26 Oct 2023, at 20:20, Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Hello Airflow community, > > >> > > > >> > How do we feel about removing the Qubole provider completely > (leaving > > >> only > > >> > old releases in PyPI? > > >> > > > >> > On September 1 2023 ( > > >> > https://lists.apache.org/thread/p394d7w7gc7lz61g7qdthl96bc9kprxh) > the > > >> > Qubole operator ws suspended. > > >> > > > >> > Due to the reasons described in the thread (Qubole got acquired and > the > > >> > service is generally abandoned) there is pretty much no chance for > it > > >> to be > > >> > resumed. > > >> > > > >> > I'd love to remove it completely and introduce a process where we > can do > > >> > similar things in the future for other providers if we decide to do > so. > > >> > > > >> > I checked in the Attic project in the ASF (this is where abandoned > > >> project > > >> > of the ASF get moved to) and it seems that just removing part of the > > >> > project that has an active PMC is not going through attic > > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ATTIC-218 . We are free to > > >> define our > > >> > rules for that and I would like to use the opportunity to hash it > out > > >> and > > >> > propose a process (similarly to suspension) and criteria to remove > > >> > providers from being maintained by us. > > >> > > > >> > It's more than suspension. We will completely stop updating the > related > > >> > code (right now some automated changes can still be applied and > > >> suspended > > >> > providers can be resumed with simple PR). I would like to have the > > >> "next" > > >> > step after "suspending" - removal. > > >> > > > >> > Roughly - we send PROPOSAL followed by VOTE (or immediately VOTE in > > >> > obvious cases) with justification, PMC members only have the binding > > >> votes > > >> > (similar as for releases). > > >> > > > >> > Only git history will remain - all the rest will be removed > (including > > >> > extra) - no traces of the provider remain in the next MINOR release > > >> (2.8.0 > > >> > in the case of Quibole). The provider will still be in PyPI and > > >> historical > > >> > releases will be in https://archive.apache.org . If someone would > like > > >> to > > >> > bring back such a provider, It should go through the same process > as a > > >> new > > >> > provider (voting/consensus). And we might reject it. > > >> > > > >> > WDYT? Any comments for such an approach / process ? > > >> > > > >> > J. > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@airflow.apache.org > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@airflow.apache.org > > >> > > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@airflow.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@airflow.apache.org > >
