It seems like it is time for us to graduate to me as well, so +1 here. I also think Till would be great as VP & PMC chair, for the reasons Yingyi described.
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 2:20 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) < [email protected]> wrote: > Till, based on the below I trust you are headed in the right direction > with this and I leave it up to you and the community to figure out > the resolution. I think like you said, PMC consisting of some inactive > people doesn’t hurt anything and recognizes their prior contribution, > however AsterixDB seems like a very welcoming community so if those folks > e.g., weren’t put on the board resolution PMC, but came back later, I would > expect that you would likely welcome them back with open arms and elect > them to the PMC. > > If that’s the case (and I bet it is), I’m fine with proceeding forward. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > Chief Architect > Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398) > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527 > Email: [email protected] > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS) > Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Till Westmann <[email protected]> > Reply-To: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Date: Friday, March 18, 2016 at 2:17 PM > To: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator > > >Hi Chris, > > > >1) I’m confident that everybody would very much appreciate if you > >and Henry and Ted and Ate and Jochen stayed on board and on the PMC! > > > >2) The reason for the question is (at least in my mind, not sure > >if everybody else reads it the same way) that we currently have 25 > >Committers/PPMC members, which seems to be a relatively big number. > >Most of them came in as they contributed actively before we joined > >the incubator. And we clearly wanted everybody who had contributed > >to the project to be able to continue to do so and to go through > >incubation with the project. > >But a few haven’t interacted with the project during the incubation > >period at all (life happened :) ). There is no intent to penalize > >anybody (and I would expect everybody to keep their merit and their > >commit bit). But does it make sense to add everybody to the PMC > >and make them responsible for the governance of the project - even > >if their life has moved on? Or is graduation a point in time at > >which everybody should re-evaluate their level of participation? > >It’s not really an important decision, as non-participating PMC > >members probably don’t cause any damage, but listing people in the > >board resolution that might never participate again also didn’t > >seem right. > >Does this make sense? Do other projects have a similar situation > >at graduation? If so, what has worked for them? > > > >Cheers, > >Till > > > >On 18 Mar 2016, at 9:56, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote: > > > >> The team needs to keep in mind: > >> > >> 1. Many of your most active members are not ASF members and > >> thus representation amongst the foundation will be limited. > >> 2. You will want to have ASF members, moreover the board considers > >> this as a PMC composition when it reviews the resolution to create > >> the project at the board meeting. > >> > >> It’s your community’s choice as an FYI, but keep the following in > >> mind: > >> > >> 1. Merit doesn’t expire. Whether someone ever contributed, or > >> are actively contributing, or not. Life happens, and you don’t > >> want to penalize people when that’s the case. > >> 2. You should consider having at least 3 ASF members go on with > >> the project regardless (so that your project can be presented in > >> future Members meeting electing new members etc etc.) > >> > >> I’m fine to retire from the PPMC and be omit from the PMC no problem > >> on my end. I’ll see your great project around the Foundation should it > >> be approved as a TLP and I’m proud of how far you’ve come! > >> > >> Cheers > >> Chris > >> > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > >> Chief Architect > >> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398) > >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > >> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527 > >> Email: [email protected] > >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS) > >> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department > >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > >> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/ > >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Till Westmann <[email protected]> > >> Reply-To: "[email protected]" > >> <[email protected]> > >> Date: Friday, March 18, 2016 at 9:51 AM > >> To: "[email protected]" > >> <[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator > >> > >>> Thank you for the nomination and the support! > >>> > >>> I’ll draft a resolution. However, before getting to a resolution, it > >>> would be really great to get some more thoughts/input on the > >>>composition > >>> of the PMC. > >>> Clearly there have been varying levels of activity and the question is > >>> if we should aim for a > >>> a) bigger PMC with a large number of inactive members or > >>> b) a smaller PMC of more active members. > >>> If we opt for b), I think that Yingyi’s proposal is a sensible one. > >>> > >>> Thoughts? > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Till > >>> > >>> On 16 Mar 2016, at 22:24, Chen Li wrote: > >>> > >>>> I also second this nomination. > >>>> > >>>> Chen > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Mike Carey <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I second that nomination! He'd be great. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 3/16/16 2:49 PM, Yingyi Bu wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> +1. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 1. VP, chair <=== eyes and ears of the board. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'd like to nominate Till Westmann as the VP & PMC chair, since he > >>>>>>> has > >>>>>> already been performing some of the chair duties as described in > >>>>>> [1]. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> TLP resolution: > >>>>>>>> 1. Include all PPMC? (my suggestion, yes) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I guess we could ask existing PPMC who haven't contributed to the > >>>>>>> project > >>>>>> during the past year to see if they're still interested in being a > >>>>>> PMC. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 2. Draft of TLP resolution > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The Kafka TLP resolution proposal [2] could be a good template for > >>>>>>> us. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Best, > >>>>>> Yingyi > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair > >>>>>> [2] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201211.mbo > >>>>>>x/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>>% > 3ccaco5y4xvziozxb-bqcqo+tsgtjugv+xbeyd-lxu1lhisylo...@mail.gmail.com > >>>>>>%3 > >>>>>> E > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Sandeep Joshi <[email protected] > > > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mike, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I asked because I wanted to ascertain how quickly a newcomer > >>>>>>> outside the > >>>>>>> UCI circle can come up to speed with the vast asterixdb code-base. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I don't want to hijack this thread so maybe we can start another > >>>>>>> thread. > >>>>>>> I am interested in knowing how one could gain proficiency in > >>>>>>> participating > >>>>>>> in asterixdb development. What design patterns should one keep > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>> mind, > >>>>>>> what hasn't worked historically, what sequence of tasks can one > >>>>>>> take on > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> learn about various parts of the system, etc. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -Sandeep > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Mike Carey <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> And I would guess there are at least 5 individuals with 10+ years > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> industrial experience (apiece) on the current team, if that's one > >>>>>>>> of the > >>>>>>>> reasons for the inquiry, with a handful more probably in the > >>>>>>>> 2-5-ish > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> years > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> range. :-) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 3/15/16 9:32 PM, Till Westmann wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hi Sandeep, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 15 Mar 2016, at 19:13, Sandeep Joshi wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I am curious to know how many committers are from outside the > >>>>>>>>> academic > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> circle (i.e. those who have not worked in the past on Asterixdb > >>>>>>>>>> at UC > >>>>>>>>>> Irvine or other academic institutions ) ? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I think that the current number committers without academic UC > >>>>>>>>> heritage > >>>>>>>>> is 3 (it’s an educated guess as I don’t know the CVs of the > >>>>>>>>> committers). > >>>>>>>>> Actually, a nice number for a project that was a university > >>>>>>>>> project 12 > >>>>>>>>> months ago. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>>>>> Till > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >
