On 2016-03-18 22:17, Till Westmann wrote:
Hi Chris,
1) I’m confident that everybody would very much appreciate if you
and Henry and Ted and Ate and Jochen stayed on board and on the PMC!
I'm willing to join the PMC, at least for a while, to help with process related
work, like release validation or if needed dealing with the board.
But I don't intend to participate much on technical or community level, if
that's OK.
2) The reason for the question is (at least in my mind, not sure
if everybody else reads it the same way) that we currently have 25
Committers/PPMC members, which seems to be a relatively big number.
Most of them came in as they contributed actively before we joined
the incubator. And we clearly wanted everybody who had contributed
to the project to be able to continue to do so and to go through
incubation with the project.
But a few haven’t interacted with the project during the incubation
period at all (life happened :) ). There is no intent to penalize
anybody (and I would expect everybody to keep their merit and their
commit bit). But does it make sense to add everybody to the PMC
and make them responsible for the governance of the project - even
if their life has moved on? Or is graduation a point in time at
which everybody should re-evaluate their level of participation?
It’s not really an important decision, as non-participating PMC
members probably don’t cause any damage, but listing people in the
board resolution that might never participate again also didn’t
seem right.
Does this make sense? Do other projects have a similar situation
at graduation? If so, what has worked for them?
From a merit POV I'd say everyone on the current PPMC who actively contributed
to AsterixDB, before or after the move to the ASF, can and may join the new PMC.
But for some who no longer are actively involved and don't expect to become
involved again it might also be OK to not join the new PMC.
Why not ask every PPMC member to state their wish?
Ate
p.s. +1 for Till as VP and PMC Chair
Cheers,
Till
On 18 Mar 2016, at 9:56, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
The team needs to keep in mind:
1. Many of your most active members are not ASF members and
thus representation amongst the foundation will be limited.
2. You will want to have ASF members, moreover the board considers
this as a PMC composition when it reviews the resolution to create
the project at the board meeting.
It’s your community’s choice as an FYI, but keep the following in
mind:
1. Merit doesn’t expire. Whether someone ever contributed, or
are actively contributing, or not. Life happens, and you don’t
want to penalize people when that’s the case.
2. You should consider having at least 3 ASF members go on with
the project regardless (so that your project can be presented in
future Members meeting electing new members etc etc.)
I’m fine to retire from the PPMC and be omit from the PMC no problem
on my end. I’ll see your great project around the Foundation should it
be approved as a TLP and I’m proud of how far you’ve come!
Cheers
Chris
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-----Original Message-----
From: Till Westmann <[email protected]>
Reply-To: "[email protected]"
<[email protected]>
Date: Friday, March 18, 2016 at 9:51 AM
To: "[email protected]"
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator
Thank you for the nomination and the support!
I’ll draft a resolution. However, before getting to a resolution, it
would be really great to get some more thoughts/input on the composition
of the PMC.
Clearly there have been varying levels of activity and the question is
if we should aim for a
a) bigger PMC with a large number of inactive members or
b) a smaller PMC of more active members.
If we opt for b), I think that Yingyi’s proposal is a sensible one.
Thoughts?
Cheers,
Till
On 16 Mar 2016, at 22:24, Chen Li wrote:
I also second this nomination.
Chen
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Mike Carey <[email protected]> wrote:
I second that nomination! He'd be great.
On 3/16/16 2:49 PM, Yingyi Bu wrote:
+1.
1. VP, chair <=== eyes and ears of the board.
I'd like to nominate Till Westmann as the VP & PMC chair, since he
has
already been performing some of the chair duties as described in
[1].
TLP resolution:
1. Include all PPMC? (my suggestion, yes)
I guess we could ask existing PPMC who haven't contributed to the
project
during the past year to see if they're still interested in being a
PMC.
2. Draft of TLP resolution
The Kafka TLP resolution proposal [2] could be a good template for
us.
Thanks!
Best,
Yingyi
[1] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
[2]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201211.mbox/
%3ccaco5y4xvziozxb-bqcqo+tsgtjugv+xbeyd-lxu1lhisylo...@mail.gmail.com%3
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On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Sandeep Joshi <[email protected]>
wrote:
Mike,
I asked because I wanted to ascertain how quickly a newcomer
outside the
UCI circle can come up to speed with the vast asterixdb code-base.
I don't want to hijack this thread so maybe we can start another
thread.
I am interested in knowing how one could gain proficiency in
participating
in asterixdb development. What design patterns should one keep
in
mind,
what hasn't worked historically, what sequence of tasks can one
take on
to
learn about various parts of the system, etc.
-Sandeep
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Mike Carey <[email protected]>
wrote:
And I would guess there are at least 5 individuals with 10+ years
of
industrial experience (apiece) on the current team, if that's one
of the
reasons for the inquiry, with a handful more probably in the
2-5-ish
years
range. :-)
On 3/15/16 9:32 PM, Till Westmann wrote:
Hi Sandeep,
On 15 Mar 2016, at 19:13, Sandeep Joshi wrote:
I am curious to know how many committers are from outside the
academic
circle (i.e. those who have not worked in the past on Asterixdb
at UC
Irvine or other academic institutions ) ?
I think that the current number committers without academic UC
heritage
is 3 (it’s an educated guess as I don’t know the CVs of the
committers).
Actually, a nice number for a project that was a university
project 12
months ago.
Cheers,
Till
