Till, based on the below I trust you are headed in the right direction with this and I leave it up to you and the community to figure out the resolution. I think like you said, PMC consisting of some inactive people doesn’t hurt anything and recognizes their prior contribution, however AsterixDB seems like a very welcoming community so if those folks e.g., weren’t put on the board resolution PMC, but came back later, I would expect that you would likely welcome them back with open arms and elect them to the PMC.
If that’s the case (and I bet it is), I’m fine with proceeding forward. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Chief Architect Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398) NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527 Email: [email protected] WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS) Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: Till Westmann <[email protected]> Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Friday, March 18, 2016 at 2:17 PM To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator >Hi Chris, > >1) I’m confident that everybody would very much appreciate if you >and Henry and Ted and Ate and Jochen stayed on board and on the PMC! > >2) The reason for the question is (at least in my mind, not sure >if everybody else reads it the same way) that we currently have 25 >Committers/PPMC members, which seems to be a relatively big number. >Most of them came in as they contributed actively before we joined >the incubator. And we clearly wanted everybody who had contributed >to the project to be able to continue to do so and to go through >incubation with the project. >But a few haven’t interacted with the project during the incubation >period at all (life happened :) ). There is no intent to penalize >anybody (and I would expect everybody to keep their merit and their >commit bit). But does it make sense to add everybody to the PMC >and make them responsible for the governance of the project - even >if their life has moved on? Or is graduation a point in time at >which everybody should re-evaluate their level of participation? >It’s not really an important decision, as non-participating PMC >members probably don’t cause any damage, but listing people in the >board resolution that might never participate again also didn’t >seem right. >Does this make sense? Do other projects have a similar situation >at graduation? If so, what has worked for them? > >Cheers, >Till > >On 18 Mar 2016, at 9:56, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote: > >> The team needs to keep in mind: >> >> 1. Many of your most active members are not ASF members and >> thus representation amongst the foundation will be limited. >> 2. You will want to have ASF members, moreover the board considers >> this as a PMC composition when it reviews the resolution to create >> the project at the board meeting. >> >> It’s your community’s choice as an FYI, but keep the following in >> mind: >> >> 1. Merit doesn’t expire. Whether someone ever contributed, or >> are actively contributing, or not. Life happens, and you don’t >> want to penalize people when that’s the case. >> 2. You should consider having at least 3 ASF members go on with >> the project regardless (so that your project can be presented in >> future Members meeting electing new members etc etc.) >> >> I’m fine to retire from the PPMC and be omit from the PMC no problem >> on my end. I’ll see your great project around the Foundation should it >> be approved as a TLP and I’m proud of how far you’ve come! >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. >> Chief Architect >> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398) >> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA >> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527 >> Email: [email protected] >> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS) >> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department >> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA >> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/ >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Till Westmann <[email protected]> >> Reply-To: "[email protected]" >> <[email protected]> >> Date: Friday, March 18, 2016 at 9:51 AM >> To: "[email protected]" >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation from the incubator >> >>> Thank you for the nomination and the support! >>> >>> I’ll draft a resolution. However, before getting to a resolution, it >>> would be really great to get some more thoughts/input on the >>>composition >>> of the PMC. >>> Clearly there have been varying levels of activity and the question is >>> if we should aim for a >>> a) bigger PMC with a large number of inactive members or >>> b) a smaller PMC of more active members. >>> If we opt for b), I think that Yingyi’s proposal is a sensible one. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Till >>> >>> On 16 Mar 2016, at 22:24, Chen Li wrote: >>> >>>> I also second this nomination. >>>> >>>> Chen >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Mike Carey <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I second that nomination! He'd be great. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 3/16/16 2:49 PM, Yingyi Bu wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> +1. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. VP, chair <=== eyes and ears of the board. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd like to nominate Till Westmann as the VP & PMC chair, since he >>>>>>> has >>>>>> already been performing some of the chair duties as described in >>>>>> [1]. >>>>>> >>>>>> TLP resolution: >>>>>>>> 1. Include all PPMC? (my suggestion, yes) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I guess we could ask existing PPMC who haven't contributed to the >>>>>>> project >>>>>> during the past year to see if they're still interested in being a >>>>>> PMC. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Draft of TLP resolution >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Kafka TLP resolution proposal [2] could be a good template for >>>>>>> us. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Yingyi >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair >>>>>> [2] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201211.mbo >>>>>>x/ >>>>>> >>>>>>%3ccaco5y4xvziozxb-bqcqo+tsgtjugv+xbeyd-lxu1lhisylo...@mail.gmail.com >>>>>>%3 >>>>>> E >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Sandeep Joshi <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I asked because I wanted to ascertain how quickly a newcomer >>>>>>> outside the >>>>>>> UCI circle can come up to speed with the vast asterixdb code-base. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't want to hijack this thread so maybe we can start another >>>>>>> thread. >>>>>>> I am interested in knowing how one could gain proficiency in >>>>>>> participating >>>>>>> in asterixdb development. What design patterns should one keep >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> mind, >>>>>>> what hasn't worked historically, what sequence of tasks can one >>>>>>> take on >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> learn about various parts of the system, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Sandeep >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Mike Carey <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And I would guess there are at least 5 individuals with 10+ years >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> industrial experience (apiece) on the current team, if that's one >>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>> reasons for the inquiry, with a handful more probably in the >>>>>>>> 2-5-ish >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> years >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> range. :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 3/15/16 9:32 PM, Till Westmann wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Sandeep, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 15 Mar 2016, at 19:13, Sandeep Joshi wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am curious to know how many committers are from outside the >>>>>>>>> academic >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> circle (i.e. those who have not worked in the past on Asterixdb >>>>>>>>>> at UC >>>>>>>>>> Irvine or other academic institutions ) ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think that the current number committers without academic UC >>>>>>>>> heritage >>>>>>>>> is 3 (it’s an educated guess as I don’t know the CVs of the >>>>>>>>> committers). >>>>>>>>> Actually, a nice number for a project that was a university >>>>>>>>> project 12 >>>>>>>>> months ago. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Till >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>
