+1 for removing those 2 scripts. They are for compatibility with very old browsers that have been discontinued for many years, so it makes sense to reduce the bloat.

Francis

On 3/06/2021 5:25 am, Julian Hyde wrote:
+0 to remove them entirely, if that is possible.

-1 to keep in git but remove from source releases. We are already in
compliance with Apache policy, best I can tell.


On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 12:08 PM Haisheng Yuan <hy...@apache.org> wrote:

+1 for removing them entirely.

Thanks,
Haisheng Yuan

On 2021/06/02 13:36:05, Alessandro Solimando <alessandro.solima...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
Hi all,
+1 for removing them as well, all the mentioned sw versions in [5,6]
are extremely, extremely old.

Best regards,
Alessandro

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 14:38, Michael Mior <mm...@apache.org> wrote:

+1 for removing these entirely. I don't believe they are currently necessary.
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Michael Mior
mm...@apache.org

Le mer. 2 juin 2021 à 06:13, Stamatis Zampetakis <zabe...@gmail.com> a écrit :

Hi all,

In the recent votes for Calcite [1] and Avatica [2] there were some -1
votes regarding minified javascript files present in the source releases.

The concerns are raised for the following files:
site/js/html5shiv.min.js
site/js/respond.min.js

 From discussions in other lists it seems that there are Apache source
releases including minified files so I don't think we are violating any
policy by including them but there are deferring opinions on this topic
[3,4].

To avoid bringing back the discussion to if minified javascript should be
present or not I would like to propose one of the following alternatives:

1. It seems that both of the aforementioned scripts [5,6] are used for
compatibility reasons with old browsers. I think most of the people are not
using these browsers anymore so I would suggest removing them altogether
from the code.

2. If for some reason we need to keep them then we could directly use the
non minified version. The difference of minified vs unminified for both
files is ~6KB so I doubt it will have any real impact with the internet
connections that we use nowadays.

What do you think?

Best,
Stamatis

[1]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r049cf5b953eb5824ba37df21094dd7c1e92146d659db4735ad121593%40%3Cdev.calcite.apache.org%3E
[2]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r074720fc062bde09a7e69dc77f77754c7fd4c22f1357514f6b2196d0%40%3Cdev.calcite.apache.org%3E
[3]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rcddc30dd1f0c7f20709e09de7202d4d6885d6235a7fce1c1ab46e4ed%40%3Clegal-discuss.apache.org%3E
[4]
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201805.mbox/%3c89a47c0b-e74e-4571-b282-dbe505291...@classsoftware.com%3e
[5] https://github.com/scottjehl/Respond
[6] https://github.com/aFarkas/html5shiv

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