I'd keep this thread short and focus on achieving consensus (if possible) on what to do with the existing console. So far it looks to me like there is (almost(*)) consensus on not having the console part of the camel distro.

The contenders are:
1. James proposal to move it to the sandbox (as an alternative to my subproject suggestoin). I think that's an even better alternative. If there is enough interest it can grow in the sandbox and then we can decide on its future, uhm, future.
2. Get rid of it completely (Rob and Dan).

I am in favor of both with a slight bias towards 2. From the thread it's not yet clear if the balance tips one way or another, so let's keep the discussion going, looks like this will be easy to sort out.

Cheers,
Hadrian

(*) @cmoulliard: I agree with your point, but it helps way more to sell said technology if you had sharp looking eye candy. History indicates that it's not likely to get that from the current camel distro, yet more likely to get it from karaf, hawt.io or other places (ALv2 licensed on top of everything).



On 01/25/2013 06:05 PM, Christian Schneider wrote:
I think even both may be possible. We could have plugins for apache
projects that are written inside the projects or outside. Depending on
the interest of a project to build such a plugin and the feasibility to
develop it independent of the project release cycle.

The core part of my idea is though to have cooporation of multiple
organizations and projects towards such a management framework. I think
this is too big for one company to succeed on its own and I have seen
too many similar projects fail.

Christian

Am 25.01.2013 23:57, schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
On the other hand, if the plugin is developped outside the Camel project,
it could be written to support multiple camel versions at the same time,
especially older versions.  Which might be harder (though not impossible)
if hosted inside camel project itself.


On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Christian Schneider <
ch...@die-schneider.net> wrote:


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