Hi Pontus, I missed the mail you are referring to. But after reading it, I agree. It should be ok, using the same (package) name.
Best, Christian Am 17.09.2015 21:01 schrieb "Pontus Ullgren" <ullg...@gmail.com>: > I believe changing the package name would be a real problem for users of > the library. > > Not sure why we can not continue to use that package name since according > to the answers Raul got on the com-dev mailinglist [1] it is up to each > projects PMC to decide how there extras project should be handled. > So if the Camel PMC decided that the Camel Extras source code should be > hosted on github I do not see any problem to keep the package name as is. > > [1] > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3ccadmm+kcy9c6rgodshexgsrduu7jur06jwcs9yp-hc8mapm6...@mail.gmail.com%3E > // Pontus > > > > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 at 13:57 Christian Müller <christian.muel...@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > > I'm also not happy with the support/guidance from dev@community > regarding > > this topic and +1 to move to Github now. I'm not convinced from SF. > > > > Before we are releasing our first release there, please check with the > > Apache trademarks first, whether you can still use the name "Camel Extra" > > or not. The same for the package name (it has apache and camel in it), > > because this project doesn't belong to Apache Extra anymore in the > future, > > in my opinion. > > > > Best, > > Christian > > > > Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul Kripalani" <r...@evosent.com>: > > > > > > Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel extras community feels > > > comfortable with Github, then go for it. It seems like the joint Apache > > > Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated anyway. > > > > > > We did our part: having a discussion there and sharing our concerns at > > > dev@community. So I'm happy with how we dealt with this issue. > > > > > > Let us know when it's done so we can update the links on the Apache > Camel > > > website. > > > > > > Raúl. > > > On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren" <ullg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello again, > > > > > > > > So I tried to reach out to com-dev beginning this month[1] and it > seems > > to > > > > be a dead end. > > > > Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up to the PMCs. > > > > > > > > So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4] I think we should go > ahead > > and > > > > continue the move to github. > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > // Pontus > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > > > [2] > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3ccadmm+kcy9c6rgodshexgsrduu7jur06jwcs9yp-hc8mapm6...@mail.gmail.com%3E > > > > [3] > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E > > > > [4] > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren <ullg...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > While I personally think that is github is superior to what SF > offers > > > > > (and that bitbucket is superior to github) for camel-extra I don't > > think > > > > > the choice of hosting company is that big a deal. > > > > > > > > > > Camel-Extra currently uses > > > > > * Mailing list provided by nabble ( > > > > > http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/) > > > > > * Jenkins provided by cloudbees ( > > https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/ > > ) > > > > > * SonarQube provided by SonarQube ( > > > > > http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228) > > > > > * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian ( > > > > > https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX) > > > > > * End user component documentations are hosted on the main camel > > project > > > > > wiki > > > > > > > > > > So even back when we where on google code the only thing that it > was > > used > > > > > for was to > > > > > provide a wiki for some project specific documentation such as > > release > > > > > notes and most important > > > > > the GIT repo. > > > > > > > > > > So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple way of > > hosting > > > > > some documentation and > > > > > has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the service in my > > > > > opinion it is not that big a deal > > > > > where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that we get > this > > up > > > > > read-write ASAP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just my $0.02 > > > > > // Pontus > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <r...@evosent.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Rob, > > > > >> > > > > >> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1] umbrella... > > > > >> > > > > >> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of grouping all > > "extras" > > > > >> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm assuming it's > > for > > > > ASF > > > > >> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a technical > > reason > > > > nor > > > > >> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more closely > > related > > > > to > > > > >> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and (b) the > roles > > in > > > > >> the > > > > >> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation with the > roles > > at > > > > >> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together, i.e. > > there's > > > > no > > > > >> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a committer > > in > > > > >> Apache Camel, right? > > > > >> > > > > >> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html > > > > >> > > > > >> Regards, > > > > >> Raúl. > > > > >> > > > > >> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <rajdav...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to SF - > its > > > > >> > understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to pick > > one > > > > >> > destination for the code move makes sense. However its not clear > > that > > > > we > > > > >> > have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just move it > > to > > > > >> GitHub > > > > >> > ourselves ? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ullg...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing > > list > > > > and > > > > >> > > enlighten them. > > > > >> > > Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-) > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > // Pontus > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen < > > davidkarl...@gmail.com > > > > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Why not github? > > > > >> > >> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" < > > > > victor.n...@linagora.com > > > > >> >: > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge? > > > > >> > >>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an > > Apache > > > > >> > Project > > > > >> > >>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision? > > > > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp > > people > > > > >> told > > > > >> > SF > > > > >> > >>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted > > during > > > > >> 2015: > > > > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html > > > > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html > > > > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >>> Victor > > > > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit : > > > > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache > > Extras > > > > >> > >>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus > seems > > to > > > > >> point > > > > >> > to > > > > >> > >>>> SF > > > > >> > >>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal > > preference) > > > > >> or > > > > >> > >>>> Bitbucket. > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > >> > >>>> Regards, > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > >> > >>>> *Raúl Kripalani* > > > > >> > >>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, > > Open > > > > >> > Source > > > > >> > >>>> Integration specialist > > > > >> > >>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani | > > > > >> > >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani > > > > >> > >>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > >> > >>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL < > > > > >> victor.n...@linagora.com > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >>>> wrote: > > > > >> > >>>> > > > > >> > >>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good > > > > >> solution? > > > > >> > >>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by > > implanting > > > > >> > adware > > > > >> > >>>>> and > > > > >> > >>>>> other spyware in installers available to download there. > > > > >> > >>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project > > (that > > > > >> > wasn't > > > > >> > >>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…). > > > > >> > >>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>> See > > > > >> > >>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/ > > > > >> > >>>>> for details. > > > > >> > >>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>> Victor > > > > >> > >>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit : > > > > >> > >>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of > > > > >> contributors > > > > >> > >> for > > > > >> > >>>>>> the project ? > > > > >> > >>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project > > once > > > > it > > > > >> has > > > > >> > >>>>>> been > > > > >> > >>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved). > > > > >> > >>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF > > > > >> migration. > > > > >> > >>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>> // Pontus > > > > >> > >>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek < > > hekon...@gmail.com> > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > >> > >>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>> Hi, > > > > >> > >>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being > > moved to > > > > >> > the... > > > > >> > >>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to > > > > maintain > > > > >> the > > > > >> > >>>>>>> project > > > > >> > >>>>>>> after SourceForge migration. > > > > >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> Cheers! > > > > >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren < > > > > >> > ullg...@gmail.com > > > > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> napisał: > > > > >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing > list > > no. > > > > >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems > > to be > > > > >> in > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> charge > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> of > > > > >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra. > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> // Pontus > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani < > > r...@evosent.com > > > > > > > > > >> > >> wrote: > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Hey guys, > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache > > > > Extras > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> migration? > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras > > > > components... > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no > > > > >> conclusion. > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Maybe I > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get > > very > > > > >> chatty > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> over > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email. > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Regards, > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani* > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise > > Architect, > > > > >> Open > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Source > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Integration specialist > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani | > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren < > > > > >> > ullg...@gmail.com > > > > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the > > one > > > > in > > > > >> > >> charge > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> for > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> the move. > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress > > or > > > > >> > roadmap. > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be > a > > > > >> option in > > > > >> > >> the > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision. > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the > > > > >> camel-dev > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> mailinglist. > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> [1] > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E > > > > >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> [2] > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3cby2pr03mb490b6943e12f5d925203a2e99...@by2pr03mb490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E > > > > >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> // Pontus > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger < > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> cemme...@gmail.com> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have > > still > > > > >> the > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> backup > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> plan > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ... > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren < > > > > >> > >> ullg...@gmail.com > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows > > that it > > > > >> will > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> be > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> moved > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache > extra. > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser > > > > >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren < > > ullg...@gmail.com > > > > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and > > the > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Apache > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> community > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2]. > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any > > conclusion on > > > > >> this > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> yet. > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html > > > > >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> [2] > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html > > > > >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> [3] > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community > > > > >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon < > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon...@gmail.com> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to > read > > > > only > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ( > > > > >> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/) > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wondered > > > > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff? > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek > > > > >> > >>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek > > > > >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>>>> -- > > > > >> > >>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, > développée > > et > > > > >> > >> supportée > > > > >> > >>>>> par Linagora. > > > > >> > >>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre > > > > >> entreprise. > > > > >> > >>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com > > > > >> > >>>>> > > > > >> > >>>>> > > > > >> > >>> -- > > > > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée > > et > > > > >> > supportée > > > > >> > >>> par Linagora. > > > > >> > >>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre > > > > >> entreprise. > > > > >> > >>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com > > > > >> > >>> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
