Hi Have you already performed the migration to Github? Have you done it alone? I assume Infra doesn't support this process?
Regards Krzysztof On 17.09.2015 21:00, Pontus Ullgren wrote: > I believe changing the package name would be a real problem for users of > the library. > > Not sure why we can not continue to use that package name since according > to the answers Raul got on the com-dev mailinglist [1] it is up to each > projects PMC to decide how there extras project should be handled. > So if the Camel PMC decided that the Camel Extras source code should be > hosted on github I do not see any problem to keep the package name as is. > > [1] > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3ccadmm+kcy9c6rgodshexgsrduu7jur06jwcs9yp-hc8mapm6...@mail.gmail.com%3E > // Pontus > > > > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 at 13:57 Christian Müller <christian.muel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I'm also not happy with the support/guidance from dev@community regarding >> this topic and +1 to move to Github now. I'm not convinced from SF. >> >> Before we are releasing our first release there, please check with the >> Apache trademarks first, whether you can still use the name "Camel Extra" >> or not. The same for the package name (it has apache and camel in it), >> because this project doesn't belong to Apache Extra anymore in the future, >> in my opinion. >> >> Best, >> Christian >> >> Am 17.09.2015 10:43 schrieb "Raul Kripalani" <r...@evosent.com>: >>> Agree. From my point of view, if the Camel extras community feels >>> comfortable with Github, then go for it. It seems like the joint Apache >>> Extras effort has somewhat disintegrated anyway. >>> >>> We did our part: having a discussion there and sharing our concerns at >>> dev@community. So I'm happy with how we dealt with this issue. >>> >>> Let us know when it's done so we can update the links on the Apache Camel >>> website. >>> >>> Raúl. >>> On 17 Sep 2015 07:50, "Pontus Ullgren" <ullg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello again, >>>> >>>> So I tried to reach out to com-dev beginning this month[1] and it seems >> to >>>> be a dead end. >>>> Some answers[2] even suggest that it is up to the PMCs. >>>> >>>> So in line of the two previous votes[3] [4] I think we should go ahead >> and >>>> continue the move to github. >>>> >>>> Best regards >>>> // Pontus >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> >>>> >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3CCABe1WL-mcFvPUmUwjLXmgLUOSSQUrhT5z7Adj2WPVS8NwSQnuA%40mail.gmail.com%3E >>>> [2] >>>> >>>> >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201509.mbox/%3ccadmm+kcy9c6rgodshexgsrduu7jur06jwcs9yp-hc8mapm6...@mail.gmail.com%3E >>>> [3] >>>> >>>> >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C1391078472.16070484.1428686018450.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E >>>> [4] >>>> >>>> >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/camel-dev/201504.mbox/%3C301126299.246793.1429101018000.JavaMail.zimbra%40redhat.com%3E >>>> >>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 19:54 Pontus Ullgren <ullg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> While I personally think that is github is superior to what SF offers >>>>> (and that bitbucket is superior to github) for camel-extra I don't >> think >>>>> the choice of hosting company is that big a deal. >>>>> >>>>> Camel-Extra currently uses >>>>> * Mailing list provided by nabble ( >>>>> http://camel-extra.1091541.n5.nabble.com/) >>>>> * Jenkins provided by cloudbees ( >> https://camel-extra.ci.cloudbees.com/ >> ) >>>>> * SonarQube provided by SonarQube ( >>>>> http://nemo.sonarqube.org/dashboard/index/564228) >>>>> * Jira for issues provided by Atlassian ( >>>>> https://camel-extra.atlassian.net/browse/CAMEX) >>>>> * End user component documentations are hosted on the main camel >> project >>>>> wiki >>>>> >>>>> So even back when we where on google code the only thing that it was >> used >>>>> for was to >>>>> provide a wiki for some project specific documentation such as >> release >>>>> notes and most important >>>>> the GIT repo. >>>>> >>>>> So as long as the service provider provides git, a simple way of >> hosting >>>>> some documentation and >>>>> has a good reputation of keeping a good uptime on the service in my >>>>> opinion it is not that big a deal >>>>> where or what is hosting it. The important thing is that we get this >> up >>>>> read-write ASAP. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Just my $0.02 >>>>> // Pontus >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 17:59 Raul Kripalani <r...@evosent.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Rob, >>>>>> >>>>>> I think camel-extras belongs to the Apache Extras [1] umbrella... >>>>>> >>>>>> That said, I'm not quite sure what's the point of grouping all >> "extras" >>>>>> from all projects under a common ASF umbrella – I'm assuming it's >> for >>>> ASF >>>>>> organisational reasons. It definitely doesn't serve a technical >> reason >>>> nor >>>>>> an administrative one: (a) each Extras project is more closely >> related >>>> to >>>>>> the parent than to all other Extras project in ASF and (b) the roles >> in >>>>>> the >>>>>> camel-extras "organisation" do show some correlation with the roles >> at >>>>>> Apache Camel, but they are not necessarily tied together, i.e. >> there's >>>> no >>>>>> requirement that a committer in camel-extras has to be a committer >> in >>>>>> Apache Camel, right? >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] https://community.apache.org/apache-extras/faq.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Raúl. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Rob Davies <rajdav...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>>>> The way I read it is comdev are doing a mass migration to SF - its >>>>>>> understandable they wouldn’t want multiple targets - so to pick >> one >>>>>>> destination for the code move makes sense. However its not clear >> that >>>> we >>>>>>> have to keep camel-extra at SF - or why we couldn’t just move it >> to >>>>>> GitHub >>>>>>> ourselves ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2015, at 15:54, Pontus Ullgren <ullg...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>>>>> Victor and David: You are welcome to join the com-dev mailing >> list >>>> and >>>>>>>> enlighten them. >>>>>>>> Here is a link the latest answer on that question :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201507.mbox/%3CBY2PR03MB490B6943E12F5D925203A2E99900%40BY2PR03MB490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E >>>>>>>> // Pontus >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 16:01 David Karlsen < >> davidkarl...@gmail.com >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Why not github? >>>>>>>>> 4. sep. 2015 3:54 p.m. skrev "Victor NOËL" < >>>> victor.n...@linagora.com >>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>> Are they even aware of the problem with sourceforge? >>>>>>>>>> Maybe someone that is known there (such as a member of an >> Apache >>>>>>> Project >>>>>>>>>> ;) could tell them before they take the wrong decision? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's even worse than what I thought because after the Gimp >> people >>>>>> told >>>>>>> SF >>>>>>>>>> to stop doing their shady things, they actually insisted >> during >>>>>> 2015: >> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00097.html >> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2015-May/msg00098.html >>>>>>>>>> Victor >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 15:36, Raul Kripalani a écrit : >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Quite frankly, SF would be my last resort. But the Apache >> Extras >>>>>>>>>>> repositories are governed by the ASF and the consensus seems >> to >>>>>> point >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> SF >>>>>>>>>>> rather than Github (which would have been my personal >> preference) >>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>> Bitbucket. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani* >>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise Architect, >> Open >>>>>>> Source >>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist >>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani | >>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani >>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Victor NOËL < >>>>>> victor.n...@linagora.com >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I arrive a bit late, but are we sure sourceforge is a good >>>>>> solution? >>>>>>>>>>>> After all the fuss about their terrible behaviour by >> implanting >>>>>>> adware >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> other spyware in installers available to download there. >>>>>>>>>>>> It became known with the big complain of the Gimp project >> (that >>>>>>> wasn't >>>>>>>>>>>> even fixed by SourceForge…). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> See >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/08/gimp_dumps_sourceforge_over_dodgy_ads_and_installer/ >>>>>>>>>>>> for details. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Victor >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Le 04/09/2015 13:29, Pontus Ullgren a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Do we not already have volunteers in the current set of >>>>>> contributors >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> the project ? >>>>>>>>>>>>> I for one is willing in continue maintaining the project >> once >>>> it >>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>> moved (where ever it is moved). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the question right now is the progress of the SF >>>>>> migration. >>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2015 at 09:18 Henryk Konsek < >> hekon...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I know the Apache Extras projects are being >> moved to >>>>>>> the... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SourceForge. So we need to find a volunteer willing to >>>> maintain >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>>>>> after SourceForge migration. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> czw., 3.09.2015 o 20:38 użytkownik Pontus Ullgren < >>>>>>> ullg...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> napisał: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have not seen any other updates on the comdev mailing list >> no. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps we should reach out to Daniel Gruno (that seems >> to be >>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move) to get a status update for camel-extra. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 at 23:57 Raul Kripalani < >> r...@evosent.com >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have an update on the ASF front about the Apache >>>> Extras >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users are asking for new releases of camel-extras >>>> components... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I quickly went through the ComDev thread but found no >>>>>> conclusion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked an email in that thread. Things tend to get >> very >>>>>> chatty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there and there's no clearly marked conclusion email. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Raúl Kripalani* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Camel PMC Member & Committer | Enterprise >> Architect, >>>>>> Open >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Source >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Integration specialist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/raulkripalani | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/raulkripalani >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.raulkr.net | twitter: @raulvk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM, Pontus Ullgren < >>>>>>> ullg...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From this thread[1] it seems that Daniel Gruno is the >> one >>>> in >>>>>>>>> charge >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the move. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I fail to find any indication on the progress >> or >>>>>>> roadmap. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using Github as a backup plan does NOT[2] seem to be a >>>>>> option in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion of the community-dev decision. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway perhaps we should move this discussion to the >>>>>> camel-dev >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mailinglist. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3C559EC097.7000707%40apache.org%3E >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/%3cby2pr03mb490b6943e12f5d925203a2e99...@by2pr03mb490.namprd03.prod.outlook.com%3E >>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 at 07:17 Christoph Emmersberger < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cemme...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any date when this move is expected? We have >> still >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backup >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Github in place, ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:54 AM, Pontus Ullgren < >>>>>>>>> ullg...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Diging through the community development list shows >> that it >>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sourceforge along with the rest of the apache extra. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev//201507.mbox/browser >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 14:12 Pontus Ullgren < >> ullg...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes this has been discussed on the dev list[1][2] and >> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development mailing list [2]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortuantly there does not seem to be any >> conclusion on >>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> // Pontus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Moving-camel-extra-to-github-tt5764066.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2] >> http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/PROPOSAL-camel-extra-moves-forward-tt5765822.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3] >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-community >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 at 18:53 Tim Dudgeon < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tdudgeon...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that the Google code site is about to switch to read >>>> only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ( >>>>>> https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/camel-extra/) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondered >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what is going to happen to the Camel Extras stuff? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Henryk Konsek >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://about.me/hekonsek >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée >> et >>>>>>>>> supportée >>>>>>>>>>>> par Linagora. >>>>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre >>>>>> entreprise. >>>>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Vous utilisez la version libre et gratuite d'OBM, développée >> et >>>>>>> supportée >>>>>>>>>> par Linagora. >>>>>>>>>> Contribuez à la R&D du produit en souscrivant à une offre >>>>>> entreprise. >>>>>>>>>> http://pro.obm.org/ - http://www.linagora.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Krzysztof Sobkowiak JEE & OSS Architect, Integration Architect Apache Software Foundation Member (http://apache.org/) Apache ServiceMix Committer & PMC Member (http://servicemix.apache.org/) Senior Solution Architect @ Capgemini SSC (http://www.capgeminisoftware.pl/) 33rd Degree 4charity (http://2015.33degree.org/)
