I am not a commiter and did not know there where things at all that I could vote on. Nice to hear. What things? How to recognise them?
regards, Daan On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com>wrote: > > On May 28, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org> wrote: > > > Sebastien, > > > > Nope, we don't do votes on the users@ list. That list is just for user > > support. > > > > Decision making happens on dev@*, and if users want to take part in > that, > > they can subscribe. > > This needs to be made clearer then, otherwise it seems that users are > really second class citizens and that they are not allowed to vote. > > Chip's email to users@ says something like "we welcome your feedback", > which is different than "if you want to vote, you can by registering to the > dev list and casting your vote there" > > > > > > > * Or marketing@, private@, and security@ > > > > > > On 27 May 2013 08:53, Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> On May 24, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Chip Childers <chip.child...@sungard.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 10:41:30AM -0400, Chip Childers wrote: > >>>> As a way to get more user feedback on our major feature releases, what > >>>> does everyone think about releasing one or two -beta releases for each > >>>> major feature release? > >>>> > >>>> This might fall in line with some of the stated concerns about our > >>>> release schedule (see [1]). I've stated a desire to be quicker about > >>>> our releases (my vote was 4 months). I've also been saying quite > >>>> publicly that we should never release if we know about upgrade issues > >>>> (that's the cost of having actual users of our project, which I'm more > >>>> than willing for us to pay). > >>>> > >>>> Perhaps -betaX releases would be helpful to get attention from the > users > >>>> to test the release (including upgrade paths). The stated assumption > >>>> could be: -beta releases are not releases that can be upgraded *from*, > >>>> but are intended to help support testing by end users that want to > check > >>>> the upcoming release against their expected feature set and upgrade > >>>> path. > >>>> > >>>> I would see the first -beta-1 being released about 1 month after > feature > >>>> freeze. For example, for 4.2.0, it would be on 2013-06-30. I would > >>>> only do a -beta-2 (or later) beta release if required due to testing > >>>> results. I would also suggest that the -beta-* releases would *not* > >>>> have any particular quality criteria (well... perhaps minimal, like > >>>> blocking on issues that fundamentally make the software unstable). > >>>> > >>>> I'm not sure about my own proposal here, but I wanted to throw it out > >>>> and see if any of you have feedback / thoughts. > >>>> > >>>> -chip > >>>> > >>>> [1] http://markmail.org/message/3ctdwor5hfbpa3vx > >>> > >>> To summarize the discussions of this thread: > >>> > >>> 1) The idea of ensuring that we get user testing of release candidates > >>> is one that most agree with. > >>> > >>> 2) Concerns were raised about the overhead of "officially" releasing > >>> beta releases, especially if there is any expectation that there would > >>> be an upgrade path from a -beta to an official release. > >>> > >>> I'd like to simplify this by saying that we should actually plan on > >>> announcing the start of each round of voting on RC's to the users@list. > >>> We can get feedback from them on each round. > >> > >> Why don't we include users@ in the voting thread in the first place ? > >> The entire community can vote, correct ? committers and non-committers. > >> > >> Asking @users for feedback make it sound a little bit like feedback is > >> welcome but not voting. > >> > >>> And while I don't really > >>> love having a bunch of rounds of voting, 4.1.0 has basically proven > that > >>> user engagement testing the RC's is critical. I think that we might > >>> also consider (at a release manager's discretion) periodically > >>> announcing a request for testing of the feature branch's code during > the > >>> QA part of our release cycles. > >> > >> +1 > >> > >>> > >>> Shout if you disagree. > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > NS > >
