David and Chip, There was no intention to side step to the list. I will be more careful in my phrasing in the future.
I apologize for the lack of clarity, -John On Jun 13, 2013, at 1:58 PM, David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Chip Childers > <chip.child...@sungard.com> wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 05:52:01PM +0000, Animesh Chaturvedi wrote: >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.child...@sungard.com] >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:43 AM >>>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >>>> Subject: Re: Object_Store storage refactor Meeting Notes >>>> >>>> First, thanks for bringing this back to the list. I'm +1 on the >>>> technical approach. >>>> >>>> A couple of thoughts though, just so that we make sure that we keep >>>> operating in the right manner as an Apache project: >>>> >>>> Let's be careful about declaring something a "decision" or that >>>> something was "determined" when it happened off-list. I think that, in >>>> the case below, you were really saying "we agreed to make this the >>>> proposal to the list", so no harm there. >>>> >>>> The last bit, about a meeting in person, is a little concerning to me >>>> though... It really needs to be open to anyone that might want to >>>> participate if at all possible (and this means folks that aren't >>>> physically there). Also, please be sure to bring back a summary of the >>>> discussions to the list, so that those not there have an opportunity to >>>> see what was discussed (and comment if they have comments). Think of >>>> the outcome of the discussions as "proposals" that will be brought back >>>> to the list. >>>> >>>> Sorry for sounding preachy, but it's important to keep remembering that >>>> the list is where decisions are made... and discussions shouldn't be >>>> closed to community members that may have geographic or temporal >>>> constraints. >>>> >>>> -chip >>> [Animesh>] Chip I think by now everyone knows that all decisions need to >>> happen on the list. John B's proposal to have a face-face meeting I think >>> is good to bring in a good proposal which can be discussed and decided on >>> the mailing list. >> >> It needed to be said, only because of some of the wording. I'm sure you >> guys are going to do the right thing. > > Agreed. > There are more people reading this thread than those participating, > and some of those folks may not yet be indoctrinated in the Apache > Way, and could give the impression, despite the best of intentions, > that there is some cabal that is making decisions in secret. > Perception is reality far too often. > > --David
