> On 11-May-2015, at 2:51 pm, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm fine with that: rm must have a reviewer on merges? Seem heavy for > trivial changes but alright > > On Mon, 11 May 2015 14:16 Sebastien Goasguen <run...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> On May 11, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> +1 how about my proposal to have 6 RM and demand that at least 2 agree on >>> each PR? >> >> +0.5 >> >> we can say that we need two pairs of eyes to ok the PR for merge. >> no need to formally have 6 RMs ? >> >> so 1 RM (you or me) + another pair of eyes would work ?
I’ve been doing PR reviews as a habit, happy to chip-in as a co-pilot. >>> Op ma 11 mei 2015 om 09:52 schreef sebgoa <run...@gmail.com>: >>> >>>> >>>> On May 6, 2015, at 10:59 AM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can have a look at the merge of 4.5.1 and am willing to be one of the >>>>> RMs, not to be the RM! >>>>> >>>> >>>> I can RM as well. >>>> >>>> How about we lock down master on wednesday ? >>>> From that point forward we only take PR into master -either you or me- >> all >>>> other direct commits to master will be reverted !!!! >>>> >>>> >>>> -sebastien >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Op wo 6 mei 2015 om 09:47 schreef sebgoa <run...@gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>>> So no -1 on this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do we have volunteers to RM 4.6 on the master branch ? >>>>>> >>>>>> I propose to set a date asap, tag master and tell everyone that >> starting >>>>>> from that tag all commits to master except from RM will be reverted. >>>>>> >>>>>> will need to make sure that all of 4.5.1 is in master >>>>>> >>>>>> -sebastien >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 1, 2015, at 1:19 PM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Let's not do more quality improvement proces but just improve >> quality. >>>> If >>>>>>> anybody want to add to the pages on the wiki, you're welkom but >> nobody >>>>>> did >>>>>>> for long time. +1 for the present state of Sebastien's views on >> things. >>>>>> We >>>>>>> can refine at any time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Op vr 1 mei 2015 om 09:55 schreef sebgoa <run...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 1, 2015, at 12:52 AM, Pierre-Luc Dion <pdion...@apache.org> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In my mind it was kind of making more sense to start by keeping 4.6 >>>>>> into >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> separate branch, enforce pull-requests and deploy the CI. smaller >>>> step >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> faster result, and from there, once we get stable with the CI >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hear you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But we have waited for way too long for better CI. I see great >> efforts >>>>>> in >>>>>>>> that direction. >>>>>>>> But I personally do not want to wait any longer to make a move. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We do open source, we should have fun, take risks, move fast, fail >>>> fast, >>>>>>>> recover etc…. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> so let's JFDI >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and git flow; >>>>>>>>> move into master, do fastest releases cycle. If we consider we can >> do >>>>>> all >>>>>>>>> that starting in 4.6, I'm all for it! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is there really a difference between creating a 4.6 and doing what >> you >>>>>>>> say, and tagging master (start) and doing it on master leading to >> 4.6 >>>>>>>> release ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Assuming the QA does not improve, 4.6 would not be worse than 4.5. >> If >>>> we >>>>>>>> can improve a bit on the QA then we win. >>>>>>>> Plus I think a different commit model will help a lot in quality. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Marcus: are you preparing a proposal on this? wiki page? I can help >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We can do this proposal on email..and once we have consensus write >> it >>>> up >>>>>>>> for archive in the wiki. >>>>>>>> If we move to the wiki now, this effort is going to die. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Seb: doesn't the vote would confirm the consensus? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> if we have consensus no need for vote. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Raja: do we have any documentation somewhere on how to use, >>>> contribute >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> the smoke test? that could be our start for the CI tests? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 3:58 AM, Sebastien Goasguen < >>>> run...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Marcus <shadow...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> After reviewing the history as mentioned by Daan, unless we >> propose >>>>>>>>>>> and vote on a newer workflow model I think the best we can do is >> to >>>>>>>>>>> simply be more strict about commits to master. They all need to >> be >>>>>>>>>>> merges that have been tested against master before merge. This >> will >>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> theory make master more stable, but doesn't really change the >>>>>> workflow >>>>>>>>>>> we've already agreed upon and have been working under (although >>>>>>>>>>> bugfixes sometimes were not coming in from branches, and >>>>>> cherry-picked >>>>>>>>>>> bugfixes from branches will need to go into a branch first, >> tested >>>>>>>>>>> against master, and merged to master). We can essentially set a >>>> date >>>>>>>>>>> and do that any time, with some advance notice that direct >> commits >>>>>>>>>>> will be reverted. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes +1. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -Set a date >>>>>>>>>> -Tag master for reference >>>>>>>>>> -Find a volunteer or two to RM master >>>>>>>>>> -automatic revert on master if not from RM >>>>>>>>>> -all commits to master come from PR, need clear review and green >>>> tests >>>>>>>>>> -harden master (basic QA process), release 4.6 as a tag on master >>>>>>>>>> -all features and fixes need to be made on branches or forks and >>>> onus >>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> on devs to rebase to master >>>>>>>>>> -brings everyone onto 4.6 (make sure we have upgrade paths from >> 4.3, >>>>>>>> 4.4, >>>>>>>>>> etc) >>>>>>>>>> -from there forward only maintain a linear release through master >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Feel free to add, tweak >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> PS: No need to vote if we have consensus. Taking a clue from ASF >>>>>>>> members, >>>>>>>>>> votes should be avoided at all cost, they mean that we do not have >>>>>> clear >>>>>>>>>> consensus. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 12:50 AM, Sebastien Goasguen < >>>>>> run...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 18, 2015, at 8:36 AM, Marcus <shadow...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Have they diverged that much? Due to cherry-picking, I guess. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise you should be able to do it cleanly. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There's a good opportunity to do this next release. Instead of >>>>>>>>>>>>> creating a release branch, we freeze master and start creating >>>> dev >>>>>>>>>>>>> branches. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This just amounts to treating master now like a release branch. >>>>>>>> Getting >>>>>>>>>> back to PL suggestion, that means >>>>>>>>>>>> that any commit to master would be through a PR or MERGE request >>>> on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> ML. Anything else will be reverted by the RM. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Marcus, do you feel like writing down a little process for this >>>> and >>>>>>>>>> some dates that we can target. >>>>>>>>>>>> It would be nice to do this for 4.6. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Daan Hoogland < >>>>>>>>>> daan.hoogl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> We heavily invested in code now on master. Not looking forward >>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> backporting that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mobile dev with bilingual spelling checker used (read at your >>>> own >>>>>>>>>> risk) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 17 apr. 2015 21:02 schreef "Marcus" <shadow...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, would we just swap the last release branch with master? >>>>>>>> Master >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the dev branch, and the last release is really what we >> have >>>>>> as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stable branch. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Daan Hoogland < >>>>>>>>>> daan.hoogl...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 2:43 AM, Sebastien Goasguen < >>>>>>>>>> run...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 17, 2015, at 12:49 AM, Pierre-Luc Dion < >>>>>>>> pd...@cloudops.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today during the CloudStackdays we did a round table >> about >>>>>>>>>> Release >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> management targeting the next 4.6 releases. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quick bullet point discussions: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas to change release planning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Plugin contribution is complicated because often a new >>>>>> plugin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involve >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change on the core: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - ex: storage plugin involve changes on Hypervisor code >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - There is an idea of going on a 2 weeks release model >> which >>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> introduce issue the database schema. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Database schema version should be different then the >>>>>>>> application >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - There is a will to enforce git workflow in 4.6 and >>>> trigger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simulator >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> job on PullRequest. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Some people (I'm part of them) are concerned on our >>>> current >>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supporting and back porting fixes to multiple release >>>> (4.3.x, >>>>>>>>>> 4.4.x, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.5.x). But the current level of confidence against latest >>>>>>>> release >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is low, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that need to be improved. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, the main messages is that w'd like to improve the >>>> release >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> velocity, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release branch stability. so we would like to propose few >>>>>>>> change >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way we would add code to the 4.6 branch as follow: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - All new contribution to 4.6 would be thru Pull Request >> or >>>>>>>> merge >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> request, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which would trigger a simulator job, ideally only if that >>>> pass >>>>>>>>>> the PR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be accepted and automatically merged. At this time, I >> think >>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>> pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have everything in place to do that. At a first step we >>>> would >>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simulator+marvin jobs then improve tests coverage from >>>> there. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We do need to realize what this means and be all fine with >>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It means that if someone who is not RM directly commits to >>>> the >>>>>>>>>> release >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branch, the commit will be reverted. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that from the beginning of the branching… >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree and we can even go as far as reverting fixes that >> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cherry-picked in favour of merged forward. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMHO, I think this would be a good step but I don’t think >> it >>>>>> goes >>>>>>>>>> far >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed here as well but let's take the step while discussing >>>>>>>> further >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steps and not implement to much process as well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This still uses a paradigm where a release is made from a >>>>>> release >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branch that was started from an unstable development branch. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hence you still need *extensive* QA. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem here is that there is no stable point to fork >> from >>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment. We will get there and we shouldn't stop taking steps >>>> in >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If we truly want to release faster, we need to release from >>>> the >>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> QA’d branch time after time….a release needs to be based on a >>>>>>>>>> previous >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Basically, we need a rolling release cycle. That will have >>>> the >>>>>>>>>> added >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit to not leave releases behind and have to focus on >>>>>>>>>> backporting. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please comments :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Daan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> Regards, Rohit Yadav Software Architect, ShapeBlue M. +91 88 262 30892 | rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com Blog: bhaisaab.org | Twitter: @_bhaisaab Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services IaaS Cloud Design & Build<http://shapeblue.com/iaas-cloud-design-and-build//> CSForge – rapid IaaS deployment framework<http://shapeblue.com/csforge/> CloudStack Consulting<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/> CloudStack Software Engineering<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-software-engineering/> CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/> CloudStack Bootcamp Training Courses<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-training/> This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. 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