I've saved up enough to chip a tuppence worth of comment in.

In any other project, you would have a project manager, someone at the coalface 
ensuring there is a perfect harmony behind the chaos that is software 
development.

From the sidelines, it looks like Cloudstack really needs some project 
management love and attention. 

Comment over, as you were.



> On 29 Jun 2017, at 10:24, Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> wrote:
> 
> Such a view of CloudStack is what holds CloudStack back.
> It stops users/operators from having any chance of understanding what 
> CloudStack does and how it does it.
> Code for code's sake is no use to anyone.
> Jira is about communication between developers and to everyone else.
> 
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Paul Angus
> 
> paul.an...@shapeblue.com 
> www.shapeblue.com
> 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London  WC2N 4HSUK
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: 29 June 2017 10:14
> To: dev <dev@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: JIRA - PLEASE READ
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Paul Angus <paul.an...@shapeblue.com> 
>> wrote:
>> + Release notes will be impossible to create without a proper Jira history.
>> And no one will know what has gone into CloudStack.
> 
> 
> No they are not mr Grumpy. they should be base on the code anyway, hence on 
> git, not jira. I do not appose to the use of Jira but it is not required for 
> good coding practices and as we are not and will not function as a 
> corporation, jira is an extra for those that grave for it. not a requirement.
> 
> --
> Daan

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