On Wed, 7 Jan 2015 17:21:33 +0000, sebb wrote:
On 7 January 2015 at 17:12, Thomas Neidhart
<thomas.neidh...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 01/07/2015 06:00 PM, sebb wrote:
On 7 January 2015 at 16:29, Thomas Neidhart <thomas.neidh...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 01/07/2015 04:50 PM, sebb wrote:
On 7 January 2015 at 13:59, Gilles <gil...@harfang.homelinux.org> wrote:
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I have pushed the change to the userguide. To execute the example you do
the following:

 * go to commons-math folder, type mvn clean install
this step is only needed if your local maven repository does not yet
   contain the latest commons-math snapshot
* go to userguide folder (src/userguide), type mvn clean package
 * now you can run the examples like that:

java -cp target/commons-math3-examples-uber-3.5-SNAPSHOT.jar

org.apache.commons.math3.userguide.LowDiscrepancyGeneratorComparison


Very nice.

Yes, however there is a caveat.
The uber jar must not be published, at least in its current form.
- it contains un-shaded classes that have different Maven coords (=> jar hell)
- it does not have N&L files
- are the 3rd party jars AL compatible?

there is no intention to publish the uber jar.

OK.

There is another way to run the code without needing to generate the jars:

cd src/userguide

mvn -q exec:java

-Dexec.mainClass=org.apache.commons.math3.userguide.LowDiscrepancyGeneratorComparison

nice, did not know this trick before.

This uses Maven to resolve the dependencies.

Works very well for developer testing of examples.
However it is not so useful for end users as they would need Maven and
the Math source.

The NET jar method works well because there are no external
dependencies, and the example jar is created in the same directory as
the core jar it depends on.

The same approach would work for Math, but the user would have to
download the additional dependencies somehow.

the approach with exec:java is good enough imho, as >90% of the users
will have maven installed.

Agreed.
It's safe to assume that (see below for the proposed usage).


But they won't necessarily have the Math source.

On a whim I just tried creating a basic pom with only the dependencies.
I added examples as another dependency.

This works fine with exec:java from any directory provided only that
the examples have been installed (or can be found from a repo)

A minor disadvantage of exec:java is one has to use properties for the
main class and arguments - the syntax is a bit awkward.

I did not follow the details (e.g. what is "uber"?) but IMHO, one simple enough way is enough; the simpler the "pom.xml" the better (perhaps with
a little README in the same directory).

the examples are also not published (yet), thus there is no way to run the examples without downloading the source distribution (or checkout
the git repo).

Yes, but the code we are discussing is for the next release.

Not necessarily.
The first step was necessarily to be able to compile and run them
for ourselves.

I think it would make sense to include the compiled examples in the
release as a separate jar.

IMO, the setup in the "src/userguide" can have at least two purposes
that are more useful than publishing the compiled examples:
 1. Generate reports (on various aspects of CM) to be integrated in
    "userguide" document. [For this, the build must run the code
    that generates the reports.]
 2. Publish source code of working examples. [For this, the RM
    must of course ensure that the code is correct (i.e. compiles
    and runs as expected).]

Providing compiled code is only useful if the examples are more
than just toy problems, and provide readily useful functionalities:
a library of real-world applications (in which the name "examples"
won't be appropriate anymore).  [We are not there yet (the idea of
real-world examples was proposed quite some time ago but did not
elicit any comment IIRC).]
Points (1) and (2) would add to the resources which a newcomer
might like to read to get acquainted with the contents of the
library. The document should be readily available without a
prospective user having to run anything.


Gilles


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