On 30/10/2015 14:17, Phil Steitz wrote:
> On 10/30/15 5:33 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
>> On 30/10/2015 00:42, Phil Steitz wrote:
>>> This is a VOTE to accept the code discussed in [1] and available for
>>> review using the git commands below.  All are welcome to vote, votes
>>> from PMC members are binding.  Assuming a positive vote, we will
>>> execute a software grant with the authors and use the code as the
>>> basis for a new Commons Sandbox component. 
>>>
>>> This VOTE will close in 72 hours.  More discussion on the code and
>>> its fit in Commons is always welcome, but please do not reply to
>>> this thread with discussion, other than embedded justification for
>>> negative VOTES.  Use the thread from [1] instead.
>>>
>>> Git commands to grab the code:
>>>
>>> git clone g...@github.com:NormanShapiro/Naomi.git
>>> git checkout gh-pages
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Phil
>>> [1] http://markmail.org/message/imoi5aipf63f7rsa
>>>
>>> [ ] +1 Yes!
>>> [ ] +0 OK...
>>> [ ] -0 OK, but...
>>> [X] -1 We should not do this, because...
>> The Commons sandbox should not be used as a replacement for / way to
>> bypass the Apache Incubator.
> 
> I don't see this as a case of that, as there are Commons committers
> (self included) interested in working on this code in Commons.

Who, exactly? I ask because the list of people from Commons who intend
to get involved in this has a very strong influence on whether I think
this should go via the incubator or not.

I'm a little concerned - based on the minimal input on the dev list from
the original contributors - that this is more of a code dump than a code
contribution.

> If you and others insist, we will do the side trip through the
> Incubator, but I do not see it as necessary, nor consistent with
> what we have done with other code brought in through the sandbox.

I appreciate that. I don't want to put unnecessary hurdles in the way
but neither do I want to see essential processes (IP clearance, branding
etc. bypassed).

> For me, the litmus test on bringing externally sourced code into the
> Sandbox (or [math] or any other component) is are there ASF
> committers interested and willing to work on it and grow a community
> around it.

I set the bar higher for a new component. I'm particularly looking at
how many ASF members (i.e. people who grok how the ASF is meant to
operate) are involved.

> I see the likelihood of healthy growth around the Naomi
> code base higher starting in Commons than the Incubator.

I tend to agree with you but, with the emphasis on the healthy aspect,
I'd like more detail on who plans to get involved.

>   I am
> personally interested in working on this code.  There appear to be
> others as well.  My cycles and energy for administrivia are limited,
> so I would appreciate some flexibility on this.  On the other hand,
> I respect alternative views and if the consensus is we have to side
> trip through the Incubator, we will do that.

My vote is not set in stone. More detail on who plans to be involved is
likely to change it.

Mark

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