Hi Rob,

Even though I am on the minus side, I am glad you brought this up for
discussion. I think it helped us better understand where we are, how we got
here, and why we want to stay.

Gary

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 7:25 AM Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Very much appreciation guys for the thoughtful words and opinions here.
> Sounds like we’re sticking with Maven. :-)
>
> I hope everyone is doing well these days.
>
> Cheers,
> -Rob
>
> > On Jul 17, 2020, at 4:24 AM, Thomas Vandahl <t...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 17.07.20 10:13, Claude Warren wrote:
> >> -1 from me.  I have a philosophical objection.
> >
> > Same here: -1
> >
> >> Much like HTTP's mod_rewrite[1] gradle's greatest strength is that it
> >> allows the developer to do so much in so many ways.  But its greatest
> >> weakness is that it allows the developer to do so much in so many ways.
> >>
> >> My experience with Ant and Gradle is that in a fairly short period of
> time
> >> the build scripts become so complex that it takes a development team
> just
> >> to maintain them.
> >>
> >> The greatest strength of Maven is that it requires developers to
> seriously
> >> work to do things outside of the "Maven way".  But its greatest
> weakness is
> >> that developers have to seriously work  to do things outside of the
> "Maven
> >> way".
> >>
> >> My experience with Maven is that if the developer wants to do something
> >> outside of the "Maven way" it is difficult, but it also forces the
> >> developer to think about what they are doing.
> >
> > Very well put. The "Maven way" is a concept that makes it easy for new
> > people to understand how a project is structured. If you know how a
> > Maven project works in principle, you can understand all others. This is
> > one of the greatest strengths of Maven IMO.
> >
> >> With respect to this project, it is my opinion that we do not want to
> >> create a build system that is so complex that it becomes difficult for
> the
> >> uninitiated developer to contribute to the project.
> >
> > Couldn't agree more.
> >
> > Bye, Thomas
> >
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