> On Jul 16, 2020, at 11:02 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I don't see mixing in Groovy as the build language helping anyone, TBH it
> feels like it creates another obstacle for new contributors. The nice thing
> about Maven is that it is well known and you can extend it in Java, and
> Commons is all about Java, so it feels right, especially since both plugins
> we've developed within Commons are Maven plugins, in Java.
>
> Sure, POMs are verbose but that's XML, not Maven. At this point, I am quite
> productive using Maven in Commons, so I would not look forward to either
> migrating or being asked to maintain two build files.
>
> It seems that we finally got rid of most if not all Ant builds in favor of
> Maven, so, again, switching to another build system is not even on my radar.
>
> I'd rather we focus on making releasing easier instead of the 100 steps I
> have to do today.
>
Fair...I withdraw my statement about gradle. Many thanks for the conversation.
-Rob
> Gary
>
>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 22:23 Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>> On Jul 16, 2020, at 9:17 PM, Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 16, 2020, at 9:10 PM, Matt Juntunen <matt.juntu...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Rob,
>>>>
>>>>> I think we might be coming towards time to make this move or at least
>> accommodate for gradle builds in commons.
>>>>
>>>> Are you picturing that continued use of Maven will hinder development?
>> Is it restricting us in some way?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not at all, just trying to gauge community opinion here.
>>
>> I’d like to reiterate that, clearly, this all may be a non-starter because
>> how closely we’re tied to maven. I just wanted to see what people thought.
>>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Matt
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 8:48 PM
>>>> To: Commons Developers List <dev@commons.apache.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [all] Thoughts on build system maven -> gradle??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 16, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Alex Remily <alex.rem...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> For those of us not as familiar with Gradle, what are some of the
>>>>> benefits? Drawbacks?
>>>>
>>>> So gradle is an analog of maven, in that it provides dependency
>> management in the same fashion. However, the configuration is written in
>> groovy (not my favorite, but indeed a Turing complete language). Clearly
>> the trade off would be that Apache’s main set of libraries moves off its
>> build system, and that in itself may be a non-starter (I’m ok with that,
>> but I feel the conversation valuable). It seems like newer java projects
>> favor a gradle build system because most java developers these days heavily
>> rely upon spring.
>>>>
>>>> I honestly don’t know what the right direction here is, and I’m
>> entirely open minded to anything anyone in the community has to offer.
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 5:30 PM Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we might be coming towards time to make this move or at least
>> accommodate for gradle builds in commons. Let’s look to the success the
>> Spring Framework has had here with gradle. That said, I’m merely trying to
>> gauge opinions here and am entirely content to stay with maven, if that’s
>> what the community wishes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’m a +1 on at least letting gradle be a part of our systems (don’t
>> have to get rid of maven either).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Rob
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