On 28/03/2019 14:00, Eric Covener wrote: > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 9:45 AM Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> On 28/03/2019 13:24, Eric Covener wrote: >>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 8:59 AM Naomi Slater <n...@tumbolia.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 13:14, Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> but in practice, this isn't true. and our committer demographics >>>>>> demonstrate this >>>>> >>>>> Then those PMCs have a f'ed up definition and measure of merit. >>>>> >>>> >>>> but this is true for all PMCs, and indeed our board. we have dismal >>>> representation for non men, non white people, etc, etc, across the whole >>>> organization. so you're saying that our whole organization has a f*ed up >>>> definition and measure of merit. which is precisely my point. and why I >>>> started this thread. >>> >>> For which projects do you have demographic data about unrecognized >>> contributions? This implies "all of them" which would be impressive. >> >> The 2016 committer survey indicated significant under-representation >> from just about any category you care to think of except "white men". > > That's under-representation against the global population and not > against the pool of contributors.
I disagree. It is both. This isn't something where we can just say "It isn't our fault. The problem lies upstream in the process". Yes, there are issues that need to be tackled elsewhere but the survey showed representation in committers wasn't on par with what we would expect given the levels of representation in the feeder communities. Taking women just as an example the % of committers who identified as women was about half* of what would have been expected. * with a largish margin of error depending on which stat you take as your baseline but any way you measure it it was a lot less > I don't agree that it represents a meritocracy failure of projects, > irrespective of whether comdev should be trying to build a bigger or > more diverse pool of contributors. I don't think framing this as a failure of projects is helpful. I'd frame it as helping projects attract and retain a diverse set of contributors. Mark --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
