+0 - as in I support this but don’t have time to do so directly.

I will support any surveys or discussions that might come to the Incubator or 
any of the PMCs of which I’m a member.

Regards,
Dave

> On Mar 29, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Griselda Cuevas <g...@google.com.INVALID> wrote:
> 
> Yes! This is exciting. I'd like to be part of the mailing list, and I agree
> that when there's a product encoded in the efforts. the cadence become
> stronger.
> 
> Here's my proposed list of deliverables by work stream:
> 
> *Diagnostic*
> 1) Revamp the 2016 contributor survey
> 2) Launch 2019 Survey (I can do this)
> 3) Analyze results and identify actionable next steps (based in pain
> points, strengths, opportunity areas, etc.)
> 4) Share results & recommendations w/ community
> 
> *Working towards improvement*
> *I can own this work stream and I need more volunteers, I commit to give
> monthly reports. D&I in OSS is part of my day-to-day job, so that's a
> guarantee I'll deliver on it. I also love the topic so I can also dedicate
> personal time to this effort. *
> 1) Curate a list of experts in D&I
> 2) Evaluate possible vendors and select the best fit
> 3) Outline statement of work (define project req.)
> 4) Hire vendor (Due diligence by the ASF)
> 5) Kick-off consulting work, focused on findings from survey.
> 
> *Embedding D&I at the ASF*
> *I want to be part of this. *
> 1) Define purpose, values and objectives for a D&I council
> 2) Define what structure makes more sense
> 3) Work on formalizing the council
> 4) Make the survey the measurement for council's impact YoY
> 
> If you like it, I'm happy to create a Jira board to track efforts.
> 
> 
> On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 09:08, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 11:37 AM Griselda Cuevas
>> <g...@google.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Another thing we should consider is creating a D&I council, PMC, working
>>> group (or something alike) for the ASF, and I'd love to be part of it.
>>> 
>>> Now, I have to share my feelings with discussions on this list.
>> Sometimes I
>>> struggle to understand when a conversation is ready for action. I feel
>> like
>>> I've seen so many great ideas, and I don't have visibility into when they
>>> start to happen or when I should start working on things. This time I'm
>>> offering to lead... so how could I do it?
>> 
>> TL;DR: identify a list of tangible deliverables, and I'll help you
>> make it happen.
>> 
>> Longer answer:
>> 
>> Organizationally, this could be one of the things that is done under
>> the comdev umbrella, it could be something that reports to the
>> president, or it could be something that reports to the board.
>> 
>> The third option requires a board resolution.  The middle option is
>> less clear, but in such cases we err on the side of clarity so a board
>> resolution would be prepared.  No board interaction is required for
>> the first option, though a notification in the next board report would
>> be in order.
>> 
>> Operationally, this would start pretty much the way everything starts
>> at the ASF: with the creation of a mailing list.  What this will be is
>> a quieter place where people who actually want to do the work get
>> together and make it happen.  I will caution you that often times,
>> those people don't show up, and this ultimately means that it becomes
>> a place to ideas go to die.  And I will say that similar efforts have
>> died this way in the past.
>> 
>> Part of what makes PMCs work is that they have a tangle product (code)
>> and deliverables (releases).  This helps keep things focused.
>> 
>> Outside of the Code of Conduct, focus is not a word I would use to
>> characterize most of the discussions to date on diversity.  We need to
>> fix that.
>> 
>> So... if we (and by that I'm specifically looking for volunteers) can
>> identify tangible work products and there is a commitment to provide
>> written monthly status reports detailing progress towards the
>> production of those work products, I am prepared to support the
>> creation of an officer and committee responsible.  I don't believe
>> that this committee needs board authority (at least not yet), and Ross
>> and I both clearly are interested in making this work.  This leads me
>> to recommend a path of the creation of a President's committee.
>> 
>> Circling back, board resolutions are generally evaluated monthly (out
>> of band is possible, but there is no reason here to force the issue).
>> The schedule is here:
>> 
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/calendar.txt
>> 
>> While shooting for April is definitely possible, I would recommend
>> shooting for May.  And the setting up of a mailing list doesn't need
>> to wait for the board resolution - if there is sufficient progress, I
>> can ask the infrastructure team to make it happen.
>> 
>> - Sam Ruby
>> 
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