And I think when adding the two fields, we could eliminate question Q5 and Q6.
I saw you extended the table to the bottom to allow me so select something in both columns ;-) Chris -----Original Message----- From: Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> Sent: Mittwoch, 27. April 2022 10:34 To: dev@community.apache.org Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Crazy or good Idea? Hi All, I think I commented in the document ... I think two numeric fields: How many hours per week to you work on open-source "paid" and "unpaid" would allow not only the type of evaluation regardings the gender distribution, but also would allow non-dei related analysis. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Katia Rojas <ka...@apache.org> Sent: Dienstag, 26. April 2022 20:09 To: Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> Cc: dev@community.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Crazy or good Idea? Hello Jarek, Those are very good questions. Based on those questions we are assessing the following topics: 1. Which percentage of the Paid/Unpaid belongs to each gender? It could be interesting and potentially actionable if we see a ratio mismatch between paid / unpaid. 2. How would this information help with contributor experience improvement? 3. Could we summarise the questions in one or two questions, open or closed? We are following up on those topics in the slack channel and the google docs as well. Thanks, Katia On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 11:13 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I think we have a great opportunity to get much more insight on what > is really needed here. > > Katia and the Diversity team are running the 2022 Survey about the > contributor's and there was already a question about whether people > are being paid/ not paid / mixed. > > I think - since this is an important topic - we should gather a bit > more stats on what the contributor source of paid work is and what are > the biggest obstacles they face in case they want to be paid. I have a > feeling that all of us are looking at that from their personal > experience and perspectives, but this might vary wildly and the survey > seems to be a perfect opportunity to find out more. > > The announcement is here and Katia asked for comments till 29th of > April - so we have still 3 days: > https://lists.apache.org/thread/8r0gmw5f10r16drwc5wnyvgvppq3cbcw > > I already added a comment describing my ideas for the survey > questions: > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1s0TVBFf-KvOTl3IejI2FFOOTdkugZlX_pt > nN6YWMFN0/edit?disco=AAAAYgvywxI > > But maybe others could contribute (and even review the survey in > general and make more comments) ? > > J. > > > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 8:33 AM Christofer Dutz > <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> wrote: > > > > Yeah, > > > > That's exactly what I wanted to address. The bootstrapping: creating > contacts for the different types of services (legal) , setup and run > the infrastructure to serve the offers I want to do and keep them > updated and patched (infrastructure), handling payments and chacing > after companies not willing to pay (finance), establish a place people > know to offer the services (marketing and pr) (this is probably the > thing requiring most > work) and something to not appear to be a solo fighter, but be part of > something bigger. > > > > I for my part have invested a big part of my last years on all of this. > In the end I failed mainly because my company is too small and can't > compete with the big closed-source names. Now I'm planning on ending > my business after 24 years, as I'm tired of fighting. > > > > But I would hate to see others in the same situation, so I would > > love to > help others be successful. If what I learned the hard way helps, > that's the open-source idea on a next level. And I think something > like what I proposed would probably be the thing I personally would > have loved to have had and I probably would still be fully > self-employed, if such a thing existed. > > > > Thinking of my green energy supplier: when I saw the certificate of > approval, that Greenpeace attests them serving truly green energy, > that convinced me to choose them. Perhaps some form of "Apache > approves the way this thing works"-certificate that needs to be > renewed (yearly), could be a form to do this without any problematic ties? > > > > > > Chris > > > > Holen Sie sich Outlook für Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> > > > > ________________________________ > > Von: Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2022, 19:50 > > An: dev@community.apache.org <dev@community.apache.org> > > Betreff: Re: [DISCUSS] Crazy or good Idea? > > > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 9:08 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote: > > > ... (snip) > > > This is a model similar to many ASF projects commercial activities > > > - there are people, individuals with merit and experience in the > > > project and they decide to start or join a commercial company that > > > puts their stakes with the project. There are many stories like > > > that and even if some of the people are PMC members and committers that > > > might work. > > > I see that it could work here as well. I think it is important to > > > see if there can be a real business model behind it. On top of > > > doing "good support" for the contributors, such a company would > > > have to simply have some business model and be a normal "business" I > > > think. > > > > I think I get your point here, though this sort of feels like > > punting the idea back to "figure out how to be an Influencer® on > > your own!" As a software engineer (particularly in the domain of > > software development software itself), I find it much easier to > > write code, design systems, fix bugs, and other daily work I'm > > already used to performing as an individual contributor at any > > company. Having all the other skills necessary to run a business has > > never really been interesting to me (and I assume similarly for many > > others), so such an approach feels somewhat like trying to make it > > big on the 'gram or the 'tok (i.e., marketing, publicity, PR, > > copywriting, artwork, etc., either provided by yourself or paid for > > by someone else as a "sponsor"). > > > > Christofer's proposal sounds more like a way to try to bootstrap > > past that issue, though I can see why it would be fairly difficult > > to align with the ASF's values of vendor independence. Maybe there's > > some sort of hybrid approach possible similar to ALCs where a sort > > of business development kit is provided for people to more easily > > create firms for development et al. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > > B KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKCB [ X ܚX KK[XZ[ ] ][ X ܚX P [][ ] K \X K ܙ B ܈Y][ۘ[ [X[ K[XZ[ ] Z[ [][ ] K \X K ܙ B B
