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> On Jun 30, 2023, at 2:14 AM, Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bertrand,
> 
> In general, I would agree, but the problem is that we currently have a very 
> large number of unreadable lists.
> This is what I’m generally trying to fix. Some projects responded with “If 
> the defaults are the ways they are, they probably are for a reason … we’ll 
> stick with the defaults” … problem is I am very sure that there never was a 
> discussion on how these defaults should look and that they are more that way 
> for implementation reasons and not community reasons.

I know that infra did have discussions and had reasons that were not just 
tooling. I recall asking about subject length a few years ago. I’m not going to 
look right now. You might want to ask them.

Best,
Dave

> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> Von: Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacre...@apache.org>
> Datum: Freitag, 30. Juni 2023 um 11:11
> An: dev@community.apache.org <dev@community.apache.org>
> Betreff: Re: Changing the defaults for GitHub generated email titles?
> Hi,
> 
>> On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 9:50 AM Christofer Dutz
>> <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> wrote:
>> ...I had many discussions with folks at infra about changing the defaults, 
>> but generally
>> met opposition. The general argument was, that there would be bots that 
>> automatically
>> consume these emails and these would be confused if we changed the 
>> defaults...
> 
> That's a totally valid concern IMO, but there might be two ways to
> change the defaults:
> 
> a) change for all lists which don't have specific settings
> b) change for newly created lists from now on
> 
> If b) is possible I think that's much safer, and ideally projects can
> opt-in to switch existing lists.
> 
>> ...Quite a number of projects have adopted these settings:
>> Like StreamPipes: 
>> https://lists.apache.org/list?d...@streampipes.apache.org:lte=4M
> 
> This looks nice to me, which is unsurprising, as people know I'm a big
> fan of Tags Everywhere ;-)
> 
> -Bertrand
> 
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