On the topic of IDE support my collage Gorkem has made a nice wizard in eclipse that mimics the CLI have a look at this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUyUUtmTYok On 18 Oct,2013, at 4:29 , Maxime LUCE <max...@somatic.fr> wrote: > Great Bryan > Totally agree !!! > > Cordialement. > ------------------------------- > Maxime LUCE - Somatic > maxime.l...@somatic.fr > 06 28 60 72 34 > ________________________________ > De : Brian LeRoux<mailto:b...@brian.io> > Envoyé : 18/10/2013 01:48 > À : dev@cordova.apache.org<mailto:dev@cordova.apache.org> > Objet : Re: config.xml discussion, we need to talk > > I don't really appreciate comments that we don't talk to our users, or build > apps in anger. Neither of those assertions are true. The origins of these > initiatives are based on both community feedback, and direct experience. > > Keeping your focus on just pure platform side of a project is fine, of > course, since the CLI delegates to the platform. This was also a deliberate > learning from MANY attempts at an architecture that satisfies both > approaches. It separates the concerns and respects the platform will be > canonical for the common workflows supported. This is a very real example of > Conway's Law btw. [1] > > Anyhow. Deep breath! Software has bugs, people will report them, and we'll > continue to improve. This is a very large group with a very diverse community > that spans regular old hackers to the humble web designers. We need to > respect that, and maybe be a little more compassionate to each other too. All > software is fucked up, and at the end of the day, it is our perpetual job to > make it a little less fucked up. > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway's_law > > > [Inline image 1] > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Tommy Williams > <to...@devgeeks.org<mailto:to...@devgeeks.org>> wrote: > Late to the party due to timezone fun, but I just want to chime in in > support of the CLI. > > As a dev working on an actual nontrivial "real world" app, I would like to > let it be known that we (SpiderOak) have been heavy drinkers of the CLI > Kool-Aid since its infancy. > > We have even managed to get to the point where ./platforms/**/* is just a > build artefact (mostly by using hooks and tying the whole thing together > with Grunt). > > We have a fast and fairly complex app (both many core plugins as well and a > few custom/third party ones), that even includes the ability to white label > it with relative ease. > > I feel pretty strongly in favour of the CLI and strongly advocate its use > when asked in the #phonegap IRC channel. > > Just my opinion, but thought it was important to add to the discussion. > > - tommy / devgeeks > On 18 Oct 2013 04:44, "Anis KADRI" > <anis.ka...@gmail.com<mailto:anis.ka...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> Sweet. So I think we all agree (expect Joe perhaps?) that both >> approaches should be supported :-) >> >> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Carlos Santana >> <csantan...@gmail.com<mailto:csantan...@gmail.com>> >> wrote: >>> I meant in addition of ".cordova/lib" also allow also to do something >> like >>> "cordova platform add ios --path="./cordova_components/cordova-ios" >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Carlos Santana >>> <csantan...@gmail.com<mailto:csantan...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> ++1 "to install from a given directory instead of .cordova/libs." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Viras >>>> <vi...@users.sourceforge.net<mailto:vi...@users.sourceforge.net> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This might be true - it took me quite some time to figure out how the >> CLI >>>>> actually works - despite also having to fix one or two bugs for the WPX >>>>> implementation of the CLI code (as well as the Windows 8 CLI code). But >>>>> still I would hate to see the CLI go, since I think once you are used >> to >>>>> it, it saves you quite a lot of time (I still have those old documents >>>>> which guide me through the setup of the IDE projects for the different >>>>> platforms - which is now mostly obsolete). >>>>> >>>>> So I guess supporting both methods is the way to go... :) >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Wolfgang >>>>> >>>>> Am 2013-10-17 16:13, schrieb Michal Mocny: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks so much for chiming in, I'm very happy to see that you've >> figured >>>>>> out how to leverage the benefits and avoid the drawbacks of the new >>>>>> workflow, and that it has led to increased productivity for you. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do think that perhaps it is still too difficult for every developer >> to >>>>>> learn what you already have. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Michal >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Viras >>>>>> <vi...@users.sourceforge.net<mailto:vi...@users.sourceforge.net>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> my view on this discussion: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've used the CLI to release the latest version of GOFG Sports >> Computer >>>>>>> for Windows Phone. The support for the "merges" directory is a >> fantastic >>>>>>> feature which allows me to focus on the javascript code using e.g. >> the >>>>>>> NetBeans IDE - I can finally handle all my platform specific code >> from >>>>>>> JavaScript in one consistent directory structure - which is what >> Cordova >>>>>>> should be about. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In addition the CLI forces you to write clean code (not implying that >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> other method forces to write messy code). If you need something >> native >>>>>>> write a clean plugin for it (which also makes the code reusable) - no >>>>>>> need >>>>>>> to mess around in the native projects code - this also makes >> upgrading >>>>>>> cordova much easier. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Once I've done the Windows Phone version I've simply added Android >> as a >>>>>>> platform, build it and I was done - no need for fiddling around with >>>>>>> SDK / >>>>>>> IDE setup etc (besides actually installing it). So CLI is my favorite >>>>>>> way >>>>>>> to develop now - and it is far more powerful than the old approach >> (in >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> opinion) - since it saves you from fiddling around with project >>>>>>> settings, >>>>>>> etc. when you do a multi-platform release. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh yes - and GOFG SC uses two custom plugins, 5 official plugins and >>>>>>> cordova 3.0 - so it is a bit beyond the "Hello World" application.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And I do not agree that it isn't possible to work with the native >> IDEs >>>>>>> with their own projects - this is simply wrong since you can always >> go >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> the "platforms" directory and open the platform-projects using their >>>>>>> native >>>>>>> IDE from there (I've done this myself for e.g. plugin development). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Still I agree that both versions should be supported - but don't make >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> assumption that the CLI is for "n00bs" only! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Wolfgang >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 2013-10-16 23:11, schrieb Joe Bowser: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Michal Mocny >>>>>>> <mmo...@chromium.org<mailto:mmo...@chromium.org>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anis: Totally agrees, but its important to highlight that both >>>>>>>>> directions >>>>>>>>> for that arguments hold. We've done our best to support bin/ >> scripts >>>>>>>>> post >>>>>>>>> 3.0, yet blanket statements like "CLI should not be used with >> IDE", or >>>>>>>>> "CLI >>>>>>>>> sucks unless you just doing something trivial" are being thrown >>>>>>>>> around, >>>>>>>>> which are harmful in my opinion, and I don't think its fair that >> some >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> us >>>>>>>>> are promoting that message to users. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't think we're communicating with our users at all, so I >> don't >>>>>>>> see how this could be communicated. When users communicate their >>>>>>>> frustrations, it's usually something like this >>>>>>>> (http://www.infil00p.org/****config-xml-changes-for-ios-**< >> http://www.infil00p.org/**config-xml-changes-for-ios-**> >>>>>>>> and-android/#comment-10731<htt**p://www.infil00p.org/config-**<http://www.infil00p.org/config-**> >>>>>>>> xml-changes-for-ios-and-**android/#comment-10731< >> http://www.infil00p.org/config-xml-changes-for-ios-and-android/#comment-10731 >>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ) >>>>>>>> and this >>>>>>>> (http://www.infil00p.org/****introducing-cordova-3-0-0-for-****< >> http://www.infil00p.org/**introducing-cordova-3-0-0-for-**> >>>>>>>> android/#comment-10694<http://**www.infil00p.org/introducing-**<http://www.infil00p.org/introducing-**> >>>>>>>> cordova-3-0-0-for-android/#**comment-10694< >> http://www.infil00p.org/introducing-cordova-3-0-0-for-android/#comment-10694 >>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> CLI works well for me, and while its not perfect, I strive to learn >>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> limitations and make it better, not condemn it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I avoid it because it's not developed for me, or developers like me >>>>>>>> who like to see a big pile of output when things fail. I avoided >>>>>>>> having any part in its development because I thought it was the >> wrong >>>>>>>> way to do things. I assumed that the majority of users actually >>>>>>>> wanted this and that I should do my best to work around this, but >> with >>>>>>>> the backlash that we're getting, such as the blog posts and some >>>>>>>> comments on the Google Groups, it seems that this is a feature very >>>>>>>> few people actually wanted. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As far as the CordovaWebView use case, I actually have never tried >>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Has anyone bothered to make sure it works well post-3.0, or does >> Joe >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> a point that we missed addressing this? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We have JUnit unit tests in the Android repository to make sure that >>>>>>>> this still works. However, I would like to see this test case >>>>>>>> revisited since it may be more appropriate to have CordovaActivity >> be >>>>>>>> inherited instead of CordovaInterface, or for both to be supported. >>>>>>>> This is so that we can make more hybrid applications and deal with >> the >>>>>>>> fact that we're so brutally non-complaint with Android UI guidelines >>>>>>>> instead of just ignoring it. I'll probably bring this up and >> present >>>>>>>> more source code when it's ready to explain why we need this feature >>>>>>>> in the next couple of weeks, and why it's important to respect the >>>>>>>> platform, even when the platform doesn't respect the web. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> GOFG - Get On Fat Guy >>>>>>> http://www.gofg.at/ - powered by Cordova >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> GOFG - Get On Fat Guy >>>>> http://www.gofg.at/ - powered by Cordova >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Carlos Santana >>>> <csantan...@gmail.com<mailto:csantan...@gmail.com>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Carlos Santana >>> <csantan...@gmail.com<mailto:csantan...@gmail.com>> >> >
