Heh no worries - I'm comfortable being the last person on Earth who apparently still likes jQM. :)
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 9:15 AM, julio cesar sanchez <jcesarmob...@gmail.com> wrote: > Raymond, sorry for the j***** ****** part, I know you like it and write > about it. > The truth is I haven't tried the 1.4.5 version yet, I use 1.3.2 at work and > I don't feel it soo slow (I use fastClick too and we target android 4 or > greater) > > Just was talking about the questions I read on stackoverflow and *most* of > the question where they say "my cordova app is slow" the say they are using > that framework, but of course they don't mention the device where they are > testing, the version of the framework or the android version. I've seen *a > few* question where they ask "my cordova app is slow and I'm using ionic > framework", it's not always the framework fault. > > > > 2015-04-09 15:52 GMT+02:00 Carlos Santana <csantan...@gmail.com>: > >> Julio this is a great report/list of current state of dev ux for developers >> using cordova in what ever form. >> >> I would be sad if this list get's buried in the mailing list. I would like >> to have place in some place (i.e. google doc) to brain storm actions to >> improve on some of those items. >> >> At least for me I have being doing some thinking lately in this space. >> >> I think one things to me is that I would like to see cordova have zero >> friction to open collaboration. >> >> One small thing would be to go FULL usage of Github. >> We already have folks go there to submit PR anyway. >> >> 1. Use Github Issues >> Have folks use Github issues as the easiest and preferred way >> Backup/Archive data on Apache using github web hooks to create >> corresponding jira items, and sync comments. we already doing this with >> mentions of jira CB-xxxx. >> >> Ability to have a more open conversation, even cross referencing other open >> source project that can collaborate with cordova like npm, react-native, >> etc.. to solve common problems once with open standards and open source. >> >> potential for using issues tags, for auto taggin pr with apache icla, >> questions, etc.. >> >> 2. Use Github Wiki >> Use Github Wiki instead of wiki.apache.org/cordova. Easier to read, easier >> to find and read for users. Backup/Archive data on Apache using github web >> hooks, or some other automated process. >> >> 3. Use Github Pages >> Cordova.io already is built with jekyll. Easier to maintain and easier to >> atract people to help out on blogs, ages, Docs >> Backup/Archive data on Apache using github webhook or other automated >> process. >> >> 4. Simplify our message on cordova.io to hey! we do open source go to >> Github for everything. >> >> I'm not sure but the only rule that Apache imposes is that if Gihub decides >> to go down (;-p) or disappear the project can continue to work and data and >> history is preserved. >> >> Also what about if cordova decides to move out from Apache Foundation, to >> another open source Foundation? That should not affect the community they >> should still continue to interface in Github. >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 4:08 AM, Stef <stephane.bachel...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > As a survey it's always biased. >> > >> > I've used Cordova since a long time before the 1.x. The problem is >> clearly >> > not about Cordova, but most developers don't understand this. They think >> > Cordova is like "build an awesome application in 21 days". >> > Clearly most of these guys don't know Javascript, the mobile web nor >> > anything relative to the mobile. >> > >> > There are really a lots of shitty mobile applications and most of them >> are >> > native :) >> > >> > -- >> > Stéphane Bachelier, >> > Tél. 06 42 24 48 09 >> > B8A5 2007 0004 CDE4 5210 2317 B58A 335B B5A4 BFC2 >> > >> > 2015-04-09 9:35 GMT+02:00 José-Luc Voltaire < >> > jose-luc.volta...@netdevices.fr >> > >: >> > >> > > Hi, >> > > >> > > I am a developper and I use Cordova. >> > > >> > > I just wanted to say that even thought we don't know all the details >> > about >> > > how it works under the hood, we have, at least, an idea of the work >> done >> > > and appreciate it. >> > > >> > > I try to understand how the tools I use work and I don't think I am the >> > > only one. >> > > >> > > I'm agree with Tyler and I think mobile web apps can be as good as >> native >> > > ones, it requires a lot of work, and that's what I try to do for the >> > apps I >> > > work on! >> > > >> > > Again, Thank you for your work, we appreciate! >> > > >> > > 2015-04-08 22:12 GMT+02:00 Tyler Freeman <ty...@drumpants.com>: >> > > >> > > > I think what colors people's perception the most is the graphics and >> > > > interaction performance of JS vs Native. Here's a few possible >> reasons: >> > > > >> > > > * They are basing their bias off Phonegap apps they saw 3 years ago. >> > Even >> > > > though it's improved so much since then, those first apps still hang >> in >> > > > people's minds. >> > > > >> > > > * Developers are not trying hard enough for that smooth, buttery >> > > > animations. It is possible to get 60fps on modern WebKit views, but >> > it's >> > > > hard and takes a lot of work. >> > > > >> > > > * For instance, I came across an article once that recommended using >> > CSS >> > > > transforms instead of properties like "left". That changed my whole >> way >> > > of >> > > > thinking, and my app looks and reacts so much better because of it. I >> > > think >> > > > it would be good for the Cordova docs to lay out tips like that for >> > > making >> > > > top-notch apps. >> > > > >> > > > * Non-native feel and interactions. Some apps just port their >> iOS-style >> > > > design straight to Android without considering that Android users >> > expect >> > > a >> > > > completely different paradigm. Not sure there's much to do about >> this. >> > > > >> > > > Tyler >> > > > >> > > > On April 8, 2015 9:42:00 AM PDT, Michael Brooks < >> > > mich...@michaelbrooks.ca> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > >This is a really interesting survey. My take is that the score is >> low >> > > > >because over 50% of the participants are Windows users and the >> default >> > > > >Cordova experience on Windows is extremely unconventional - Git >> Bash, >> > > > >Node.js Command Prompt, terminal command driven development, and no >> > > > >full >> > > > >blown IDE. The Microsoft team is dramatically improving this and as >> > > > >Visual >> > > > >Studio integration becomes more well known, I hope those survey >> > results >> > > > >improve. >> > > > > >> > > > >On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Toplak Daniel <d.top...@cadenas.de> >> > > > >wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > >> Absolutely right :-) >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Cordova is too easy in some situations and most of the developers >> > > > >using >> > > > >> cordova (not the cordova developers itself) are knowing nothing >> > about >> > > > >the >> > > > >> plugin system under the hood, or anything about the JS->Native->JS >> > > > >bridge. >> > > > >> They even don't know anything about the asynchronos communitcation >> > > > >with >> > > > >> plugins. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> In most situations this is absolutely ok, but if anything special >> is >> > > > >> needed or something goes wrong, then they have a problem. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> The other thing is that there are some JS frameworks/libs which >> are >> > > > >not >> > > > >> the best for mobile devices. No I don't name anyone of that :-) >> > > > >> >> > > > >> My point of view is, that they don't see the real power of the >> > > > >cordova >> > > > >> framework and create sloppy/buggy UI's. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Daniel Toplak >> > > > >> >> > > > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >> > > > >> Von: Joe Bowser [mailto:bows...@gmail.com] >> > > > >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. April 2015 17:56 >> > > > >> An: dev@cordova.apache.org >> > > > >> Betreff: Re: Does Cordova have a problem making developers happy? >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Cordova is the most hated form of Mobile Development, because >> > > > >everyone can >> > > > >> create a Cordova app, and the quality of most Cordova applications >> > is >> > > > >> absolutely terrible. If you're inheriting a Cordova application >> > from >> > > > >> another company, you're probably going to end up re-writing it and >> > if >> > > > >> you're an iOS or Android shop, re-implementing it natively because >> > > > >that's >> > > > >> what you're more comfortable with. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> And I'm perfectly OK with that. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Wordpress and LAMP stacks aren't going away any time soon, and >> both >> > > > >those >> > > > >> technologies share the same property that anyone can create a >> shitty >> > > > >> website. We've been called the Drupal of development for a >> reason, >> > > > >and at >> > > > >> the time we were called that, I took it as an insult because I >> think >> > > > >Drupal >> > > > >> is shitty (I once inherited a bad Drupal project). I don't think >> we >> > > > >should >> > > > >> care what developers say in a survey, since most developers are >> > > > >terrible >> > > > >> anyway. We should just make sure that what we're releasing isn't >> > > > >terrible. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:03 AM Treggiari, Leo >> > > > ><leo.treggi...@intel.com> >> > > > >> wrote: >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > The data below is from a StackOverflow Developer Survey ( >> > > > >> > http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2015). >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > Most Dreaded technologies: >> > > > >> > Salesforce 73.2% >> > > > >> > Visual Basic 72.0% >> > > > >> > Wordpress 68.2% >> > > > >> > Matlab 65.6% >> > > > >> > Sharepoint 62.8% >> > > > >> > LAMP 62.2% >> > > > >> > Perl 59.2% >> > > > >> > Cordova 58.8% ************** >> > > > >> > Coffeescript 54.7% >> > > > >> > Other 57.3% >> > > > >> > % of devs who are developing with the language or tech but have >> > not >> > > > >> > expressed interest in continuing to do so. >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > Any ideas on what the problem is? Here are some possible >> answers. >> > > > >> > I'm not suggesting that any of these are true, but rather >> looking >> > > > >for >> > > > >> > feedback from those who have heard developers express >> frustration >> > > > >with >> > > > >> Cordova: >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > * There is no problem - unclear question led to the >> answer >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > * The problem is really about creating native apps in >> > > > >JavaScript + >> > > > >> > HTML5 >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > * Cordova CLI has a quality problem (learnability | >> > > > >usability | >> > > > >> > reliability) >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > o Too hard to set up development environment >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > o The command CLI is too complicated >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > o Not enough learning material (documentation, articles, >> books) >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > o Too many bugs >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > o Changes too frequently >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > Leo >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > Tyler Freeman >> > > > CTO, DrumPants, Inc. >> > > > >> > > > Sent from mobile >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Cordialement, >> > > >> > > Voltaire José-luc >> > > Directeur Technique >> > > Netdevices >> > > e-mail : jose-luc.volta...@netdevices.fr >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Carlos Santana >> <csantan...@gmail.com> >> -- =========================================================================== Raymond Camden, Developer Advocate for MobileFirst at IBM Email : raymondcam...@gmail.com Blog : www.raymondcamden.com Twitter: raymondcamden --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cordova.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cordova.apache.org
