Also, an abrupt shutdown with delayed_commits=true might orphan some
data anyway, so the warning on startup might encourage more people to
disable it.

On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Robert Newson <robert.new...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A user (#herman) on IRC today reported slow startups for couchdb. I
> speculated that he'd hit the data loss bug and that couchdb was
> scanning backwards for a header. This turned out to be the case.
> Interestingly this was verified with a strace call, watching the read
> calls use earlier and earlier offsets.
>
> Should we consider a tweak to the tool, or couchdb itself, to report a
> warning if we have to seek back very far to find a header? Obviously
> it would a heuristic but there would be no real downside to the odd
> false positive since the recovery tool and subsequent replication will
> amount to a no-op.
>
> fyi: Reading the couchdb database (90G) with 'dd' took 22 minutes, but
> couchdb's backward scanning took 3 hours.
>
> B.
>
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:05 PM, J Chris Anderson <jch...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Aug 12, 2010, at 11:38 PM, Mikeal Rogers wrote:
>>
>>> I tested the latest code in recover-couchdb and it looks great.
>>
>> We need to package this so that it is useable by end-users, and put a link 
>> to it on http://couchdb.apache.org/notice/1.0.1.html
>>
>> I'm the last guy who knows what that would mean... anyone? I think we should 
>> do this today.
>>
>> Do we need to do anything formal and time consuming before linking to the 
>> recovery tool / process from that page?
>>
>> Also, someone needs to write up the how-to instructions, along with a 
>> description of what to expect.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>>
>>> -Mikeal
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 2:33 PM, J Chris Anderson <jch...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 12, 2010, at 2:15 PM, J Chris Anderson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 12, 2010, at 12:36 PM, Adam Kocoloski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Right, and jchris' db_repair branch includes my patches for DB reader
>>>> _admin access and a more useful progress report in the replication phase of
>>>> the repair.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've updated the repair branch with everyone's code. I think it is
>>>> faster, due to Adam's idea that if we run the merges in reverse order, 
>>>> those
>>>> near the front of the file are more likely to be no-ops, so less work is
>>>> done over all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mikeal will be testing for correctness. Could other's please use it and
>>>> test for usability as well. Latest code (with instructions) is here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://github.com/jhs/recover-couchdb/
>>>>>
>>>>> Which points at http://github.com/jchris/couchdb/tree/db_repair for the
>>>> repair code.
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing I am not clear about (need better docs) is, do we need to
>>>> replicate the original db to the lost+found db (or vice-versa), after
>>>> recovery is complete?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, we should be clear about what the semantics for this are. It can
>>>> potentially introduce conflicts if some writes were repeated after 
>>>> restarts.
>>>> Should it always be a noop on dbs that are clean w/r/t the bug?
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 12, 2010, at 3:14 PM, Jason Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The code is updated with the following changes:
>>>>>>> 1. Adhere to the lost+found/databasename custom...
>>>>>>> 2. ...except databases starting with _, which goes into
>>>>>>> _system/databasename
>>>>>>> 3. Sync up with jchris's db_repair branch
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (About #2, I started with _/database but I think it's too easy to miss
>>>> at
>>>>>>> the command line.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 00:52, J Chris Anderson <jch...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A few bug reports from my testing:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I launched with this command, as specified in the README:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> find ~/code/couchdb/tmp/lib -type f -name '*.couch' -exec
>>>> ./recover_couchdb
>>>>>>>> {} \;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First of all, it chokes on my _users and _replicator db:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [info] [<0.2.0>] couch_db_repair for _users - scanning 335961 bytes at
>>>> 0
>>>>>>>> [error] [<0.2.0>] couch_db_repair merge node at 332061 {case_clause,
>>>>>>>>                                  {error,illegal_database_name}}
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That second [error] line is repeated many many times (once per merge I
>>>>>>>> think). I think the issue is that _users is hard-coded to be OK, but
>>>>>>>> _users_lost+found is not. So we should do something about that, maybe
>>>> if a
>>>>>>>> db-name starts with _ we should call the lost and found
>>>> a_users_lost+found
>>>>>>>> (_ sorts at the top, so "a" will be near it and legal).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When a database has readers defined in the security object, the tool
>>>> is
>>>>>>>> unable to open them (the reading part of the repair tool needs to have
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> _admin userCtx, not just the writer).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [debug] [<0.2.0>] Not a reader: UserCtx {user_ctx,null,[],undefined}
>>>> vs
>>>>>>>> Names [<<"joe">>] Roles [<<"_admin">>]
>>>>>>>> escript: exception throw: {unauthorized,<<"You are not authorized to
>>>> access
>>>>>>>> this db.">>}
>>>>>>>> in function  couch_db:open/2
>>>>>>>> in call from couch_db_repair:make_lost_and_found/3
>>>>>>>> in call from recover_couchdb:main/1
>>>>>>>> in call from escript:run/2
>>>>>>>> in call from escript:start/1
>>>>>>>> in call from init:start_it/1
>>>>>>>> in call from init:start_em/1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would also be helpful if the status lines could say something more
>>>> than
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [info] [<0.2.0>] couch_db_repair writing 15 updates to
>>>> bench_lost+found
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like maybe add a note like "about 23% complete" if at all possible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will patch the first few, I'd love help from someone on the last
>>>> one.
>>>>>>>> I'll be on IRC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 12, 2010, at 10:18 AM, J Chris Anderson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2010, at 2:14 PM, Jason Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Jason.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 04:14, Jason Smith <j...@couch.io> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 09:52, Adam Kocoloski <kocol...@apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Excellent, thanks for testing.  I caught Jason Smith saying on IRC
>>>>>>>> that he
>>>>>>>>>>>> had packaged the whole thing up as an escript + some .beams.  If
>>>> we
>>>>>>>> can get
>>>>>>>>>>>> it down to a single file a la rebar that would be a pretty sweet
>>>> way
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> deliver the repair tool in my opinion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please check out http://github.com/jhs/repair-couchdb
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think you mean http://github.com/jhs/recover-couchdb
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think it is important that we package and release this, if it is
>>>> ready.
>>>>>>>> We should link to it from the bug description page, the project home
>>>> page,
>>>>>>>> as well as blog about it, etc. What is the point of working feverishly
>>>> on a
>>>>>>>> recovery tool if we don't go the last mile?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am testing it now on my database directory to make sure it doesn't
>>>> harm
>>>>>>>> anything (I was never subject to the bug, which is probably where most
>>>>>>>> people are, but they might run it anyway.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As it stands the submodules thing can't be part of the release, we
>>>> need
>>>>>>>> to package it up as a single zip file or something.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there anything else that needs to be done before we can release
>>>> this?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Jason Smith
>>>>>>>>>> Couchio Hosting
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jason Smith
>>>>>>> Couchio Hosting
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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