There wasn't any announcements, so much likely no. Personally, I cannot run it today. -- ,,,^..^,,,
On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:30 AM, madhuka udantha <madhukaudan...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi All, > > Will the weekly meeting be held today? > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:16 AM, ASF IRC Bot <asf...@urd.zones.apache.org> > wrote: > >> Summary of IRC Meeting in #couchdb-meeting at Wed Mar 18 20:01:39 2015: >> >> Attendees: Wohali, arun_agarwal, Buddhika, Kxepal, Ndeeshaan, >> sebastianrothbuc, nslater, jan____, klaus_trainer, robertkowalski, >> rkowalski__ >> >> - Preface >> - fauxton status >> - rcouch merge >> - couchperuser >> - Google Summer of Code (GSoC) >> - Action: robertkowalski to start vote for couchperuser >> - couchdb-www / www@c.a.o >> - couchdbdocker >> - nano import >> - _bulk_revs >> - 2.0 >> - Action: robertkowalski writes a text about the process >> - Action: Kxepal and jan____ to figure out consolidation of install >> instructions >> >> >> IRC log follows: >> >> ## Preface ## >> [Wed Mar 18 20:02:48 2015] <robertkowalski>: I would like to welcome >> Ndeeshaan who participates in this gsoc >> [Wed Mar 18 20:02:55 2015] <robertkowalski>: :) >> [Wed Mar 18 20:02:57 2015] <robertkowalski>: hi! >> [Wed Mar 18 20:03:17 2015] <arun_agarwal>: I am also a first timer here :) >> [Wed Mar 18 20:03:21 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: great - welcome! >> [Wed Mar 18 20:03:38 2015] <robertkowalski>: hi arun_agarwal! welcome! >> [Wed Mar 18 20:03:55 2015] <arun_agarwal>: Hi Robert and everyone in the >> team. >> [Wed Mar 18 20:04:15 2015] <jan____>: heya arun_agarwal & Ndeeshaan >> [Wed Mar 18 20:04:21 2015] <Ndeeshaan>: Hi all >> [Wed Mar 18 20:04:51 2015] <Kxepal>: Ndeeshaan: arun_agarwal hi and >> welcome (: >> [Wed Mar 18 20:07:56 2015] <jan____>: robertkowalski: wanna go with your >> topics? >> [Wed Mar 18 20:08:08 2015] <robertkowalski>: ok! >> ## fauxton status ## >> [Wed Mar 18 20:09:00 2015] <robertkowalski>: the fauxton testsuite >> (integration tests) will be running on couchdb 2 soon, PR is already in >> review >> [Wed Mar 18 20:09:34 2015] <robertkowalski>: for the mango interface that >> means that we can write integration tests for it. >> [Wed Mar 18 20:09:47 2015] <robertkowalski>: current status of mango: you >> can create indexes and list them >> [Wed Mar 18 20:10:04 2015] <robertkowalski>: garren currently works on >> rewriting the all-docs-list to react >> [Wed Mar 18 20:10:36 2015] <robertkowalski>: if you know fauxton, you will >> know that the all-docs-list is a horrible, grown, godobject the refactor >> solves a lot of problems >> [Wed Mar 18 20:11:16 2015] <jan____>: nice! >> [Wed Mar 18 20:11:17 2015] <robertkowalski>: michelle rewrites activetasks >> in react >> [Wed Mar 18 20:11:32 2015] <robertkowalski>: and we have a lot of smaller >> bugfixes in the pipeline >> [Wed Mar 18 20:12:14 2015] <robertkowalski>: it think that's it for >> fauxton, i expect the first part of mango getting merged next week, behind >> a small feature-flip >> [Wed Mar 18 20:12:22 2015] <robertkowalski>: so interested folks can test >> it already >> [Wed Mar 18 20:12:33 2015] <robertkowalski>: and the code is integrated >> into master >> [Wed Mar 18 20:12:49 2015] <jan____>: why a feature flip? >> [Wed Mar 18 20:13:12 2015] <robertkowalski>: currently it is just possible >> to create and list indexes >> [Wed Mar 18 20:13:15 2015] <robertkowalski>: not to query >> [Wed Mar 18 20:13:44 2015] <robertkowalski>: but i would like to integrate >> into master early and don't want users think it is a bug and create jira >> tickets >> [Wed Mar 18 20:13:53 2015] <robertkowalski>: + to >> [Wed Mar 18 20:14:14 2015] <jan____>: got it, thanks! >> [Wed Mar 18 20:14:19 2015] <robertkowalski>: >> http://locahlhost:8000/mydatabase?beta=enableQuery >> [Wed Mar 18 20:14:30 2015] <robertkowalski>: and then the menu-point gets >> visible >> [Wed Mar 18 20:15:25 2015] <jan____>: cool trick :) >> ## rcouch merge ## >> [Wed Mar 18 20:15:50 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: yes, easy as pie but >> very useful >> [Wed Mar 18 20:16:07 2015] <robertkowalski>: i was wondering what the >> status of the rcouch merge is >> [Wed Mar 18 20:16:22 2015] <robertkowalski>: and Kxepal answered on the ML >> that one feature got merged, the others not >> [Wed Mar 18 20:16:25 2015] <Wohali>: not sure rnewson or davisp are here >> to talk about it >> [Wed Mar 18 20:16:33 2015] <Kxepal>: robertkowalski: it's stalled. we need >> a hero and benoitc to pick the features from those branch >> [Wed Mar 18 20:16:52 2015] <Wohali>: some of the features are incompatible >> in their current state, or are broken by clustering >> [Wed Mar 18 20:17:17 2015] <Kxepal>: but some features are very useful >> like lagger configuration >> [Wed Mar 18 20:17:25 2015] <robertkowalski>: hmmm... is it still supposed >> to land in 2.0? >> [Wed Mar 18 20:17:33 2015] <Kxepal>: robertkowalski: partially >> [Wed Mar 18 20:17:45 2015] <Wohali>: the logging configuration has been >> touched differently on master with lager >> [Wed Mar 18 20:17:46 2015] <Kxepal>: full merge wasn't in priority >> [Wed Mar 18 20:18:15 2015] <Wohali>: i think making any more rcouch merge >> actions for 2.0 a priority will significantly delay its release >> [Wed Mar 18 20:18:24 2015] <Wohali>: not saying there's not useful stuff >> but beware scope creep! >> [Wed Mar 18 20:18:55 2015] <robertkowalski>: fully agreed! >> [Wed Mar 18 20:19:20 2015] <Wohali>: moving on unless there's more to say >> here >> [Wed Mar 18 20:19:20 2015] <jan____>: yeah, I think we agreed on getting >> 2.0 out and then port over more things >> ## couchperuser ## >> [Wed Mar 18 20:19:43 2015] <robertkowalski>: klaus_trainer pinged me >> yesterday >> [Wed Mar 18 20:20:18 2015] <robertkowalski>: he would like to move >> couchperuser to the asf and would also like to maintain it >> [Wed Mar 18 20:20:21 2015] <jan____>: Bob Ippolito wrote this little >> plugin that creates a user DB when a user signs up. >> [Wed Mar 18 20:20:31 2015] <jan____>: it’s small and useful and he’d be >> fine with donating it to the ASF >> [Wed Mar 18 20:20:40 2015] <robertkowalski>: thanks jan, sorry for not >> providing context >> [Wed Mar 18 20:20:41 2015] <jan____>: I wouldn’t mind taking this on as an >> off-by-default feature >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:04 2015] <jan____>: plus klaus is already working on >> making it for 2.0 etc. >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:09 2015] <Wohali>: +1, off-by-default, assuming there >> are some tests added and it doesn't break in clustered mode >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:13 2015] <klaus_trainer>: See >> https://github.com/KlausTrainer/couchperuser >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:20 2015] <Kxepal>: I guess we need to run a vote and IP >> clearance then >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:32 2015] <jan____>: I’d be happy to be the officer that >> runs the import paperwork >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:49 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: thank you a lot for that! >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:59 2015] <jan____>: Wohali: has tests, don’t know about >> cluster mode yet, klaus_trainer? >> [Wed Mar 18 20:22:22 2015] <Buddhika>: Hi peple :D >> [Wed Mar 18 20:22:22 2015] <jan____>: been doing imports lately, don’t >> mind it :) >> [Wed Mar 18 20:22:29 2015] <klaus_trainer>: Currently there are no tests >> that we can use right now. >> [Wed Mar 18 20:22:35 2015] <robertkowalski>: i am happy to help out >> jan____ if klaus_trainer has questions, as i did that for mango with jan____ >> [Wed Mar 18 20:22:37 2015] <Wohali>: jan____: as always the hard thing is >> that many plugins make assumptions that aren't cluster-safe, e.g. being the >> "only" node involved in something, making assumptions about locking things >> down, etc. >> [Wed Mar 18 20:23:19 2015] <jan____>: Wohali: yeah, looking forward how >> klaus_trainer is solving this :) >> [Wed Mar 18 20:23:23 2015] <Wohali>: yay >> [Wed Mar 18 20:23:40 2015] <Wohali>: i'd say get the ip clearance done, >> put in a branch, hopefully clean up for official 2.0 release >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:20 2015] <Wohali>: anything else? >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:32 2015] <klaus_trainer>: Sounds good. I'm definitely >> willing to do more work on it assuming that we can integrate it. >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:38 2015] <Wohali>: yay >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:40 2015] <Wohali>: moving on >> ## Google Summer of Code (GSoC) ## >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:46 2015] <robertkowalski>: shall i kick off a vote on >> the dev-ml for the codebase? >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:51 2015] <jan____>: in addition, would say this isn’t >> blocking 2,0 >> [Wed Mar 18 20:25:06 2015] <Wohali>: agreed, not a 2.0 blocker, get it in >> a branch and put in 2.0 if we can make it sane >> [Wed Mar 18 20:25:23 2015] <jan____>: robertkowalski: +1 >> [Wed Mar 18 20:25:49 2015] <robertkowalski>: ok >> [Wed Mar 18 20:26:04 2015] <robertkowalski>: so we are particiapting in >> this years google summer of code! >> [Wed Mar 18 20:26:17 2015] <jan____>: #action robertkowalski to start vote >> for couchperuser >> [Wed Mar 18 20:26:22 2015] <jan____>: \o/ >> [Wed Mar 18 20:26:38 2015] <klaus_trainer>: Yay! >> [Wed Mar 18 20:26:48 2015] <robertkowalski>: Ndeeshaan and Buddhika are >> also here today >> [Wed Mar 18 20:27:13 2015] <robertkowalski>: I think we have 5 students >> that are interested >> [Wed Mar 18 20:27:38 2015] <robertkowalski>: and the deadline for the >> proposals is in 1-2weeks >> [Wed Mar 18 20:28:12 2015] <Ndeeshaan>: 27 th of March is the deadline >> precisely :) >> [Wed Mar 18 20:28:46 2015] <robertkowalski>: we are still searching for >> mentors, jan____ is mentoring the queryserver protocol improvements, and i >> am mentoring for fauxton >> [Wed Mar 18 20:29:19 2015] <robertkowalski>: but more mentors would be >> even better! :) >> [Wed Mar 18 20:29:20 2015] <Wohali>: i'm sorry that i can't volunteer this >> time >> [Wed Mar 18 20:30:11 2015] <robertkowalski>: Buddhika: I will look for a >> template for the proposal tonight for you and Ndeeshaan >> [Wed Mar 18 20:30:24 2015] <robertkowalski>: and the other students >> [Wed Mar 18 20:30:40 2015] <Buddhika>: That would be great >> [Wed Mar 18 20:30:46 2015] <jan____>: Wohali: do not worry! <3 >> [Wed Mar 18 20:30:48 2015] <robertkowalski>: Wohali: no worries! next year! >> [Wed Mar 18 20:31:20 2015] <Ndeeshaan>: robertkowalski: Thanks a lot >> [Wed Mar 18 20:31:36 2015] <robertkowalski>: we are also happy to help >> with the proposals, at least where we can >> [Wed Mar 18 20:32:25 2015] <robertkowalski>: i think thats it so far >> [Wed Mar 18 20:32:32 2015] <Buddhika>: We'll try to prepare draft >> proposals as soon as possible. >> [Wed Mar 18 20:32:48 2015] <Buddhika>: We have one week to refine them. >> [Wed Mar 18 20:33:27 2015] <robertkowalski>: cool! >> [Wed Mar 18 20:33:38 2015] <Ndeeshaan>: I have completed my draft proposal >> and I can send it :) >> [Wed Mar 18 20:34:17 2015] <robertkowalski>: awesome! >> ## couchdb-www / www@c.a.o ## >> [Wed Mar 18 20:35:49 2015] <jan____>: we have a new git repo couchdb-www >> that infra is testing git-based website publishing >> [Wed Mar 18 20:37:10 2015] <jan____>: it isn’t 100% live yet, but the EU >> mirror of the web server is already backed by it. So if we now want to make >> any changes, we have to do it in SVN and git, but only for a short while, >> until more projects signed up to use git and INFRA moves us over fully >> [Wed Mar 18 20:37:34 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: \o/ >> [Wed Mar 18 20:37:43 2015] <jan____>: in addition, we agreed to set up a >> www@c.a.o mailing list and it exists now, but nothing is happening. Does >> anyone have any insight as to why? >> [Wed Mar 18 20:37:45 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: is it on github? >> [Wed Mar 18 20:38:11 2015] <jan____>: no github mirror yet >> [Wed Mar 18 20:38:14 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: i guess everyone is >> waiting for github to send PRs >> [Wed Mar 18 20:38:49 2015] <jan____>: yeah, I’ve been pushy, but infra is >> also busy with other stuff >> [Wed Mar 18 20:39:26 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: at least i am doing >> that (waiting) before writing to www@ that we have git now >> [Wed Mar 18 20:39:30 2015] <jan____>: but about www@ — what are we >> waiting for? >> [Wed Mar 18 20:40:45 2015] <robertkowalski>: arun_agarwal is also >> subscribed waiting for github prs >> [Wed Mar 18 20:41:31 2015] <robertkowalski>: at least i asked him to do >> that >> [Wed Mar 18 20:42:07 2015] <arun_agarwal>: robertkowalski: yup, true >> [Wed Mar 18 20:42:09 2015] <jan____>: ok, thanks! >> ## couchdbdocker ## >> [Wed Mar 18 20:45:24 2015] <jan____>: just FYI: The couchdb-docker project >> is also being imported from github, necessary paperwork on their end has >> been filed, next step is getting the IP clearance going, will do that this >> week. >> [Wed Mar 18 20:45:37 2015] <Kxepal>: \o/ >> ## nano import ## >> [Wed Mar 18 20:47:13 2015] <jan____>: Garren has been sorting out the >> legal paperwork for nano, and we are close. once that is all done, we’ll >> start the usual import procedure, I’m also shepherding that. >> ## _bulk_revs ## >> [Wed Mar 18 20:48:53 2015] <jan____>: I’m interested in optmising >> replication performance using _bulk_revs / COUCHDB-2310 >> [Wed Mar 18 20:49:25 2015] <jan____>: we are basically waiting for a patch >> from benoitc, but if that doesn’t materialise, I’ll look at doing it from >> scratch. >> [Wed Mar 18 20:49:38 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: I had a talk with him today >> [Wed Mar 18 20:49:40 2015] <Wohali>: +1 to try from scratch >> [Wed Mar 18 20:49:51 2015] <Kxepal>: he'll try to find a time to make it >> soon >> [Wed Mar 18 20:49:53 2015] <jan____>: Kxepal: any news? >> [Wed Mar 18 20:50:15 2015] <jan____>: Kxepal: ok, nice to hear. >> [Wed Mar 18 20:50:46 2015] <robertkowalski>: Kxepal: did he mention a >> specific timeframe in that he wants to try to find time? >> [Wed Mar 18 20:50:50 2015] <jan____>: I have a week or two before I can >> look into it proper, so that would be my cutoff date >> [Wed Mar 18 20:51:23 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: ah ok, good idea >> [Wed Mar 18 20:51:24 2015] <Kxepal>: robertkowalski: no, but that's in his >> priority list todo for couchdb now as I understood. >> [Wed Mar 18 20:52:03 2015] <Kxepal>: so let's give him a little bit time >> to finish the job >> [Wed Mar 18 20:52:13 2015] <jan____>: k >> ## 2.0 ## >> [Wed Mar 18 20:54:19 2015] <robertkowalski>: i was one week away but i >> think nothing has happened for 2.0, right? >> [Wed Mar 18 20:54:51 2015] <robertkowalski>: i still did not have time to >> work on my items, blocked by mango and other stuff >> [Wed Mar 18 20:54:59 2015] <jan____>: small things, as far as I can see >> [Wed Mar 18 20:55:02 2015] <Kxepal>: robertkowalski: nothing criminal, >> right >> [Wed Mar 18 20:55:52 2015] <jan____>: I did some local hacking on the >> build/packaging stuff, but need to find more time, nothing to show yet >> [Wed Mar 18 20:56:22 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: can i send you a pr >> with my script that pulls names out of the subrepos? >> [Wed Mar 18 20:56:41 2015] <robertkowalski>: i talked to several people >> and they all said we don't need the number of commits >> [Wed Mar 18 20:57:09 2015] <jan____>: just commit to my branch >> [Wed Mar 18 20:57:17 2015] <robertkowalski>: because the exact number of >> commits is broken as some commmits are still in the old couchdb master >> branch, some not >> [Wed Mar 18 20:57:34 2015] <arun_agarwal>: jan____: is there any jira >> ticket where the hack steps are documented? >> [Wed Mar 18 20:58:00 2015] <jan____>: arun_agarwal: which hack steps >> specifically? >> [Wed Mar 18 20:58:15 2015] <arun_agarwal>: jan____: on build/packaging >> stuff. >> [Wed Mar 18 20:59:02 2015] <arun_agarwal>: jan____: was just curious, >> nothing specific :) >> [Wed Mar 18 20:59:17 2015] <jan____>: arun_agarwal: hm, there isn‘t much >> to explain >> [Wed Mar 18 20:59:36 2015] <jan____>: arun_agarwal: I’m currently working >> here https://github.com/apache/couchdb/pull/302 >> [Wed Mar 18 20:59:39 2015] <arun_agarwal>: jan____: ohk. I see, please go >> ahead. >> [Wed Mar 18 20:59:58 2015] <jan____>: there is some feedback that I need >> to incorporate >> [Wed Mar 18 21:00:22 2015] <jan____>: and I think I’m blocked by a cyclic >> dependency, but I’ll figure it out. Might have to rename ./configure to >> ./bootstrap >> [Wed Mar 18 21:00:34 2015] <jan____>: or strip some stuff from ./configure >> and move it into a ./bootstrap, but not 100% sure yet >> [Wed Mar 18 21:00:58 2015] <jan____>: anything else on 2.0? >> [Wed Mar 18 21:00:58 2015] <arun_agarwal>: jan____: sure. >> [Wed Mar 18 21:02:06 2015] <robertkowalski>: oh sebastianrothbuc you write >> "BTW: so did copying in 1.6.1 files, calling them from local port, >> replicating them up to the cluster port." - does that fix COUCHDB-2593 >> [Wed Mar 18 21:02:09 2015] <robertkowalski>: ? >> [Wed Mar 18 21:02:28 2015] <robertkowalski>: >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2593 - maybe you can take a >> look later >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:03 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: at least I tried to destroy >> something in such a setup (i.e. copy "old" 1.6.1 .couch files into the 2.0 >> data dir >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:05 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: but it just works >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:10 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: you get the databases on >> the local port >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:19 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: you can create one (same >> name) on the cluster port >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:20 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: replicate >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:22 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: and that's it >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:23 2015] <jan____>: I’d like to start looking at running >> the 1.x JS test suite against master, so we can see how compatible 1.x and >> 2.0 are going to be. >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:42 2015] <jan____>: This will require some changes and >> reorganisation to the tests, but I think it’ll be very worth it, if we want >> to make upgrades as painless as possible >> [Wed Mar 18 21:04:02 2015] <jan____>: (nice) >> [Wed Mar 18 21:04:10 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: js test suite need in global >> refactoring, since it still remember the days when it ran from browsers >> [Wed Mar 18 21:04:30 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: can't we run it from >> browser again? >> [Wed Mar 18 21:04:38 2015] <Kxepal>: "some changes" may be not a trivial >> to made >> [Wed Mar 18 21:04:59 2015] <Kxepal>: sebastianrothbuc: no, because some >> browsers (I didn't mention chome) are buggy on some cases >> [Wed Mar 18 21:05:07 2015] <jan____>: I know there was a lot of work on >> other sort of tests as well, but as far as I can tell, they are all >> tailored for 2.0/master. I’m specifically interested in 1.x compat and I >> think the JS tests cover the API well and have yet only run against the >> local interface >> [Wed Mar 18 21:05:15 2015] <jan____>: why does it need a major refactor? >> [Wed Mar 18 21:05:37 2015] <jan____>: they run in browsrs and on the CLI >> [Wed Mar 18 21:05:46 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: because it's full of terror >> if you're trying to figure why test fails. >> [Wed Mar 18 21:06:06 2015] <jan____>: all we need to do is point them at >> the cluster port and disable the ones that we don’t expect to work (_config >> etc) >> [Wed Mar 18 21:06:23 2015] <jan____>: Kxepal: I’ve lived in that world for >> many years, I’m not afraid >> [Wed Mar 18 21:06:37 2015] <jan____>: and I don’t want to refactor the >> tests because I specificallyw ant to run out 1.x suite against 2.0 >> [Wed Mar 18 21:06:44 2015] <jan____>: once we are over, we can do whatever >> [Wed Mar 18 21:06:52 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: not sure to hug you or call >> a hero >> [Wed Mar 18 21:07:19 2015] <jan____>: lol <3 >> [Wed Mar 18 21:07:54 2015] <jan____>: I’mma bring this up on dev@ >> separately to hear from folks >> [Wed Mar 18 21:08:12 2015] <Kxepal>: good call >> [Wed Mar 18 21:08:28 2015] <jan____>: I think that will flush out some >> more things we need to do, but after that, we are getting closer to the >> final stretch >> [Wed Mar 18 21:09:00 2015] <robertkowalski>: short question reagrding the >> logo process >> [Wed Mar 18 21:09:50 2015] <robertkowalski>: i talked to sean and he would >> take the proposed position on the mailinglist. can i propose him or how >> does it work? >> [Wed Mar 18 21:10:53 2015] <jan____>: what do you mean “proposed position“ >> [Wed Mar 18 21:11:46 2015] <robertkowalski>: nslater sent an mail to the >> mailing list: >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/couchdb-marketing/201503.mbox/%3CCAPaJBx4gf-yAnMPDGrKnWuN-FsC0dmuBeNLvaVpcDCyAr5CYGQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E >> [Wed Mar 18 21:12:08 2015] <robertkowalski>: "The community selects a >> person or person(s) to >> [Wed Mar 18 21:12:09 2015] <robertkowalski>: do the design. That person is >> then entrusted to do the stuff. No >> [Wed Mar 18 21:12:10 2015] <robertkowalski>: voting necessary. >> [Wed Mar 18 21:12:11 2015] <robertkowalski>: " >> [Wed Mar 18 21:13:26 2015] <Kxepal>: robertkowalski: ok, but we have a >> group of people that made a logo. each own with own vision and arguments. >> what's now? >> [Wed Mar 18 21:13:31 2015] <jan____>: good question, I think yeah, just >> nominate him >> [Wed Mar 18 21:13:54 2015] <jan____>: design by committee! >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:11 2015] <robertkowalski>: Kxepal: so far no one got >> nominated by anyone >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:28 2015] <robertkowalski>: but i am also not sure what >> we do if we have multiple nominations. >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:32 2015] <robertkowalski>: hmm.. >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:39 2015] <nslater>: I'm at a gig >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:47 2015] <robertkowalski>: Wohali: what do you think? >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:50 2015] <nslater>: just to say: my email was just a >> recommendation >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:56 2015] <jan____>: I’m in favour of letting a >> professional designer take this on. They can work with the other proposal >> people to figure out which way to go >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:01 2015] <nslater>: let's do whatever makes sense >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:02 2015] <jan____>: ultimately the PMC decides >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:08 2015] <jan____>: nslater: get out of here >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:10 2015] <nslater>: my words are not golden >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:13 2015] <jan____>: nslater: <3 >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:16 2015] <nslater>: :) >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:31 2015] <nslater>: cya! >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:53 2015] <jan____>: what is important: we will hurt >> people’s feelings, we need to be prepared to do this >> [Wed Mar 18 21:16:01 2015] <jan____>: this isn’t everybody throws their >> patch/+1 in >> [Wed Mar 18 21:16:20 2015] <Wohali>: sorry i was lying down >> [Wed Mar 18 21:16:39 2015] <Wohali>: can someone give me a quick question >> as to "what do you think" means? >> [Wed Mar 18 21:17:21 2015] <robertkowalski>: Wohali: we are unsure about >> the process regarding the logo and how to proceed with the many submissions >> [Wed Mar 18 21:17:31 2015] <jan____>: I like Noah’s suggestion, the PMC is >> the customer and makes the final call, they work with a nominated designer >> that works out one or more proposals with the other community folks. >> [Wed Mar 18 21:17:40 2015] <jan____>: community gets to vote on >> preferences, PMC makes a call. >> [Wed Mar 18 21:18:03 2015] <jan____>: I have no qualms about having >> Sean/Cloudant be that designer >> [Wed Mar 18 21:18:04 2015] <Wohali>: agree, PMC is the ajudicator and >> probably will result in a PMC vote. We need to review the bylaws on this >> one to ensure there's appropriate precedent there >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:16 2015] <robertkowalski>: Wohali: you mean adding that >> process to the bylaws? >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:21 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: mmm...I'd like to argue you, >> but not now >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:39 2015] <Wohali>: robertkowalski: all standards re: >> voting are in the bylaws. not sure if this is covered. >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:47 2015] <jan____>: Kxepal: let’s do it on marketing@ — >> I’ll reply there >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:52 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: ok >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:54 2015] <Wohali>: as for picking a designer/design >> group, well, that's ultimately also a PMC decision but with community input >> [Wed Mar 18 21:20:13 2015] <Wohali>: in general in the past I've seen more >> of a " >> [Wed Mar 18 21:20:15 2015] <Wohali>: oops >> [Wed Mar 18 21:20:23 2015] <Wohali>: community vote on these things. We >> picked the top 5, what do you think? >> [Wed Mar 18 21:20:27 2015] <jan____>: I’d say as per >> http://couchdb.apache.org/bylaws.html#types this is the “Create or amend >> official document” category >> [Wed Mar 18 21:20:42 2015] <Wohali>: true, logo is an official thing >> [Wed Mar 18 21:21:10 2015] <Wohali>: tthat says the vote would be on the >> dev list, lazy 2/3rds, with PMC members only being binding votes >> [Wed Mar 18 21:21:15 2015] <Wohali>: taht is consistent >> [Wed Mar 18 21:21:34 2015] <Wohali>: but deciding how we get that logo >> done is a non-technical decision which is up to the committers >> [Wed Mar 18 21:21:58 2015] <jan____>: maybe we can simplify things and >> just have anyone (including Sean) propose their work, we do a community >> preference vote and then PMC decided >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:11 2015] <jan____>: no need to make a designer BDFL for >> the logo, all designers are BDFL for their proposal >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:12 2015] <Wohali>: i think that's fair, as long as a set >> timeline happens >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:27 2015] <Wohali>: e.g. all submissions by march 31 >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:34 2015] <Wohali>: public vote by april 15 >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:36 2015] <jan____>: Wohali: I’d say how the designers >> make the logo is up t them :) >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:39 2015] <Wohali>: pmc decision by april 30 >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:44 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: Wohali wise ideas >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:54 2015] <Wohali>: given we've had a lot of submissions >> this gives just enough time to pick your best submissions >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:01 2015] <Wohali>: we could even say 1 submission per >> designer >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:01 2015] <jan____>: as long as we have the option to >> abort if nothing’s good, I’d be fine with that >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:11 2015] <Wohali>: pmc vote could include "d onothing," >> sure >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:22 2015] <jan____>: I like that >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:25 2015] <robertkowalski>: Wohali: great input! >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:29 2015] <jan____>: get an alter ego if you want to have >> 2 >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:38 2015] <Wohali>: hehe, no sock puppets please >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:50 2015] <jan____>: cool, that sounds like we have a plan >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:59 2015] <jan____>: robertkowalski: do you feel like >> writing this up? >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:03 2015] <jan____>: :) >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:07 2015] <robertkowalski>: Wohali: thank you so much! :) >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:12 2015] <Wohali>: it's what I do. >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:30 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: if you could give me >> a review before i send to the ML >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:45 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: then for sure! >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:50 2015] <jan____>: robertkowalski: always! >> [Wed Mar 18 21:25:23 2015] <jan____>: Wohali: ^5 — thanks for talking this >> through, I think we’ve got something here. >> [Wed Mar 18 21:25:58 2015] <arun_agarwal>: Wohali: one quick question. >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:04 2015] <robertkowalski>: one question: if some folks >> (commiters, pmc) are against changing the logo >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:18 2015] <robertkowalski>: do they vote -1 in the >> committer vote? >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:26 2015] <Wohali>: no no the committer vote is "vote for >> your favourite" >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:31 2015] <Wohali>: and we include the original logo as >> an option >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:45 2015] <robertkowalski>: Wohali: ah thank you! >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:47 2015] <Wohali>: then the PMC vote is to accept/reject >> the suggestios of the commitmters >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:50 2015] <Wohali>: arun_agarwal: go ahead >> [Wed Mar 18 21:27:29 2015] <arun_agarwal>: Wohali: which team decides the >> genuinty of the logo that people are proposing.. the selected logo design >> could be "inspired" from some >> [Wed Mar 18 21:27:35 2015] <arun_agarwal>: other logo and that could be >> problem later on. >> [Wed Mar 18 21:27:48 2015] <arun_agarwal>: do we have a team which brings >> this as intellectual property? >> [Wed Mar 18 21:28:15 2015] <Wohali>: Apache does have legal council who >> can help review these things, yes, as we intend to file the new logo under >> trademark / service mark law >> [Wed Mar 18 21:28:18 2015] <jan____>: #action robertkowalski writes a text >> about the process >> [Wed Mar 18 21:28:31 2015] <jan____>: arun_agarwal: there is a trademarks >> group at Apache, we’d run the final logo by them >> [Wed Mar 18 21:29:20 2015] <arun_agarwal>: Wohali, jan____: hmm I see.. >> that would be great, because while it unites us, we probably won't have lot >> of time redoing this :D >> [Wed Mar 18 21:29:46 2015] <jan____>: arun_agarwal: good call! :) >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:17 2015] <Wohali>: yes i think that happens after the >> committer vote >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:21 2015] <jan____>: fwiw, the current logo is >> dangerously close to the German soccer league: >> https://encrypted.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=bundeliga&tbs=imgo:1 >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:25 2015] <Wohali>: because if #1 is a problem, #2 in the >> ranking might not be >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:34 2015] <Wohali>: jan, haha >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:41 2015] <Wohali>: i don't fancy fighting FIFA! >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:52 2015] <jan____>: lol yeah, no >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:03 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: where do you see couch on >> bundesliga logo? they aren't close. >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:12 2015] <Wohali>: Kxepal: it's a joke, i think >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:18 2015] <jan____>: huh? >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:32 2015] <Wohali>: i don't think they'd seriously come >> after us, but i do see the similarity >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:40 2015] <Kxepal>: sorry, seems like my humor process >> died >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:42 2015] <Wohali>: but, it might be hard to file for the >> trademark >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:49 2015] <jan____>: white shape with pronounced legs on >> red background >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:54 2015] <jan____>: totally close. >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:59 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: too abstract description >> [Wed Mar 18 21:33:14 2015] <jan____>: it is worse when you see it in >> real-life here, I have one on my commute and it gets me every time >> [Wed Mar 18 21:33:29 2015] <jan____>: they aren’t pixel-perfect copies, >> but if you see one casually trust me, you will think CouchDB :) >> [Wed Mar 18 21:33:35 2015] <jan____>: all this is off topic for now >> [Wed Mar 18 21:33:53 2015] <Kxepal>: yea, and that's a question for >> lawyers (: >> [Wed Mar 18 21:33:58 2015] <jan____>: let’s wrap this :) >> [Wed Mar 18 21:34:08 2015] <rkowalski__>: \o/ >> [Wed Mar 18 21:34:44 2015] <arun_agarwal>: if all done, I have one quick >> point. >> [Wed Mar 18 21:34:52 2015] <jan____>: shoot >> [Wed Mar 18 21:34:59 2015] <arun_agarwal>: can someone fill the red TBD @ >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COUCHDB/Installing+CouchDB >> [Wed Mar 18 21:35:28 2015] <arun_agarwal>: few new tech have introduced >> starting 2.0. should we add that or get rid of this table? >> [Wed Mar 18 21:35:56 2015] <jan____>: arun_agarwal: ICU/Curl: same as 1.x >> / autoconf/make no longer required >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:16 2015] <Wohali>: i don't think curl is still required >> in 2.0 >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:27 2015] <jan____>: incorrect >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:29 2015] <Kxepal>: Wohali: it need for tests iirc >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:30 2015] <Wohali>: at least, i think i removed the req't >> for that in dbcore prior to the merge? >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:31 2015] <jan____>: :) >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:38 2015] <Wohali>: oh. boo. guess that didn't get merged. >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:54 2015] <jan____>: still needed for CLI JS tests >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:59 2015] <jan____>: it is optional >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:00 2015] <robertkowalski>: we have this wiki page, >> https://github.com/apache/couchdb/blob/master/INSTALL.Unix and the >> official docs >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:01 2015] <Wohali>: k >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:04 2015] <jan____>: and off by default >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:08 2015] <robertkowalski>: oh and >> https://github.com/apache/couchdb/blob/master/README-DEV >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:10 2015] <Wohali>: yeah no auto*, but we need rebar now >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:21 2015] <Wohali>: and there are the extra req'ts for >> building fauxton >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:29 2015] <arun_agarwal>: rebar and nodejs? >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:32 2015] <jan____>: yeah, as mentioned on the ML, I’m >> worried about duplication of content here >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:35 2015] <Wohali>: and npm >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:35 2015] <robertkowalski>: and they are all in different >> way outdated and up to date >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:46 2015] <robertkowalski>: can we remove some? >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:51 2015] <jan____>: and grunt etc. >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:59 2015] <jan____>: see the fauxton readme for fauxton >> deps >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:14 2015] <arun_agarwal>: yes, we have so many links and >> many-many are dead >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:18 2015] <robertkowalski>: fauxton does not need a >> globally installed grunt soon any more >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:25 2015] <jan____>: >> http://couchdb.apache.org/developer-preview/2.0/ shows what is needed >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:35 2015] <arun_agarwal>: for one topic we should ideally >> have one doc and all other should be soft link to the detailed one >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:37 2015] <jan____>: we should only keep INSTALL.md and >> DEVELOPER.md — everything else should link to them >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:38 2015] <arun_agarwal>: :) >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:47 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: +1 on that >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:58 2015] <arun_agarwal>: jan____: +1 >> [Wed Mar 18 21:39:00 2015] <jan____>: robertkowalski: nice use of future >> past tense there :D >> [Wed Mar 18 21:39:35 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: and one for docs, or >> transform *.md into .rst to make them inclusive for docs >> [Wed Mar 18 21:39:57 2015] <Wohali>: agree >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:17 2015] <jan____>: Kxepal: then we have tow places again >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:31 2015] <arun_agarwal>: Kxepal: but that won't generate >> twiki? >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:37 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: after transform we don't >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:46 2015] <arun_agarwal>: oh sorry.. got it >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:53 2015] <jan____>: then we should put it all in the >> .rst docs and have INSTALL.rst and DEVELOPER.rst generated from there at >> build time >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:54 2015] <arun_agarwal>: twiki will just link to these >> markdowns >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:07 2015] <jan____>: arun_agarwal: let’s not also add >> this to the wiki, we are trying to consolidate, not spread : >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:26 2015] <jan____>: :) >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:31 2015] <jan____>: right :) >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:31 2015] <arun_agarwal>: jan____: yup.. understood and >> agree .. my bad...:) >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:49 2015] <jan____>: no worries >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:52 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: mmm..you suggest to build >> the couchdb, make the docs first? (: >> [Wed Mar 18 21:42:30 2015] <jan____>: the requirements are: we need two >> top level source tree files that we can have in tarballs (ideally also git) >> and two places in the docs where the user and dev setup are explained. >> [Wed Mar 18 21:42:48 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: can one not link to these >> docs on github and that's it? >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:00 2015] <jan____>: maybe we can make it that the top >> level INSTALL.rst and DEVELOPER.rst are included in the docs build >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:04 2015] <Kxepal>: sebastianrothbuc: no internet case >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:06 2015] <jan____>: that would be easiest >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:16 2015] <robertkowalski>: sebastianrothbuc: yes i would >> prefer that >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:16 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: yeap, clear >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:28 2015] <jan____>: offlineofflineoffline :) >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:50 2015] <jan____>: robertkowalski: no go, can’t be >> online >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:57 2015] <jan____>: Kxepal: cool, let’s work on that >> [Wed Mar 18 21:44:09 2015] <jan____>: #action Kxepal and jan____ to figure >> out consolidation of install instructions >> [Wed Mar 18 21:44:30 2015] <Kxepal>: deal (: >> [Wed Mar 18 21:45:47 2015] <jan____>: ASFBot: meeting end >> >> >> Meeting ended at Wed Mar 18 21:45:47 2015 >> > > > > -- > Cheers, > Madhuka Udantha > http://madhukaudantha.blogspot.com
