Hi all, just read the transcript of the meeting. Wow - so much progress! high 5 to all of you. Awesome work!!!
All the best Andy On 25 March 2015 at 14:54, madhuka udantha <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for information > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Alexander Shorin <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > There wasn't any announcements, so much likely no. Personally, I > > cannot run it today. > > -- > > ,,,^..^,,, > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:30 AM, madhuka udantha > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Will the weekly meeting be held today? > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:16 AM, ASF IRC Bot < > > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Summary of IRC Meeting in #couchdb-meeting at Wed Mar 18 20:01:39 > 2015: > > >> > > >> Attendees: Wohali, arun_agarwal, Buddhika, Kxepal, Ndeeshaan, > > >> sebastianrothbuc, nslater, jan____, klaus_trainer, robertkowalski, > > >> rkowalski__ > > >> > > >> - Preface > > >> - fauxton status > > >> - rcouch merge > > >> - couchperuser > > >> - Google Summer of Code (GSoC) > > >> - Action: robertkowalski to start vote for couchperuser > > >> - couchdb-www / [email protected] > > >> - couchdbdocker > > >> - nano import > > >> - _bulk_revs > > >> - 2.0 > > >> - Action: robertkowalski writes a text about the process > > >> - Action: Kxepal and jan____ to figure out consolidation of install > > >> instructions > > >> > > >> > > >> IRC log follows: > > >> > > >> ## Preface ## > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:02:48 2015] <robertkowalski>: I would like to welcome > > >> Ndeeshaan who participates in this gsoc > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:02:55 2015] <robertkowalski>: :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:02:57 2015] <robertkowalski>: hi! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:03:17 2015] <arun_agarwal>: I am also a first timer > here > > :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:03:21 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: great - welcome! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:03:38 2015] <robertkowalski>: hi arun_agarwal! welcome! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:03:55 2015] <arun_agarwal>: Hi Robert and everyone in > the > > >> team. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:04:15 2015] <jan____>: heya arun_agarwal & Ndeeshaan > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:04:21 2015] <Ndeeshaan>: Hi all > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:04:51 2015] <Kxepal>: Ndeeshaan: arun_agarwal hi and > > >> welcome (: > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:07:56 2015] <jan____>: robertkowalski: wanna go with > your > > >> topics? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:08:08 2015] <robertkowalski>: ok! > > >> ## fauxton status ## > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:09:00 2015] <robertkowalski>: the fauxton testsuite > > >> (integration tests) will be running on couchdb 2 soon, PR is already > in > > >> review > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:09:34 2015] <robertkowalski>: for the mango interface > > that > > >> means that we can write integration tests for it. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:09:47 2015] <robertkowalski>: current status of mango: > > you > > >> can create indexes and list them > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:10:04 2015] <robertkowalski>: garren currently works on > > >> rewriting the all-docs-list to react > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:10:36 2015] <robertkowalski>: if you know fauxton, you > > will > > >> know that the all-docs-list is a horrible, grown, godobject the > refactor > > >> solves a lot of problems > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:11:16 2015] <jan____>: nice! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:11:17 2015] <robertkowalski>: michelle rewrites > > activetasks > > >> in react > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:11:32 2015] <robertkowalski>: and we have a lot of > > smaller > > >> bugfixes in the pipeline > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:12:14 2015] <robertkowalski>: it think that's it for > > >> fauxton, i expect the first part of mango getting merged next week, > > behind > > >> a small feature-flip > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:12:22 2015] <robertkowalski>: so interested folks can > > test > > >> it already > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:12:33 2015] <robertkowalski>: and the code is > integrated > > >> into master > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:12:49 2015] <jan____>: why a feature flip? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:13:12 2015] <robertkowalski>: currently it is just > > possible > > >> to create and list indexes > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:13:15 2015] <robertkowalski>: not to query > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:13:44 2015] <robertkowalski>: but i would like to > > integrate > > >> into master early and don't want users think it is a bug and create > jira > > >> tickets > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:13:53 2015] <robertkowalski>: + to > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:14:14 2015] <jan____>: got it, thanks! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:14:19 2015] <robertkowalski>: > > >> http://locahlhost:8000/mydatabase?beta=enableQuery > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:14:30 2015] <robertkowalski>: and then the menu-point > > gets > > >> visible > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:15:25 2015] <jan____>: cool trick :) > > >> ## rcouch merge ## > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:15:50 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: yes, easy as pie > > but > > >> very useful > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:16:07 2015] <robertkowalski>: i was wondering what the > > >> status of the rcouch merge is > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:16:22 2015] <robertkowalski>: and Kxepal answered on > the > > ML > > >> that one feature got merged, the others not > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:16:25 2015] <Wohali>: not sure rnewson or davisp are > here > > >> to talk about it > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:16:33 2015] <Kxepal>: robertkowalski: it's stalled. we > > need > > >> a hero and benoitc to pick the features from those branch > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:16:52 2015] <Wohali>: some of the features are > > incompatible > > >> in their current state, or are broken by clustering > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:17:17 2015] <Kxepal>: but some features are very useful > > >> like lagger configuration > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:17:25 2015] <robertkowalski>: hmmm... is it still > > supposed > > >> to land in 2.0? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:17:33 2015] <Kxepal>: robertkowalski: partially > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:17:45 2015] <Wohali>: the logging configuration has > been > > >> touched differently on master with lager > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:17:46 2015] <Kxepal>: full merge wasn't in priority > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:18:15 2015] <Wohali>: i think making any more rcouch > > merge > > >> actions for 2.0 a priority will significantly delay its release > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:18:24 2015] <Wohali>: not saying there's not useful > stuff > > >> but beware scope creep! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:18:55 2015] <robertkowalski>: fully agreed! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:19:20 2015] <Wohali>: moving on unless there's more to > > say > > >> here > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:19:20 2015] <jan____>: yeah, I think we agreed on > getting > > >> 2.0 out and then port over more things > > >> ## couchperuser ## > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:19:43 2015] <robertkowalski>: klaus_trainer pinged me > > >> yesterday > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:20:18 2015] <robertkowalski>: he would like to move > > >> couchperuser to the asf and would also like to maintain it > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:20:21 2015] <jan____>: Bob Ippolito wrote this little > > >> plugin that creates a user DB when a user signs up. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:20:31 2015] <jan____>: it’s small and useful and he’d > be > > >> fine with donating it to the ASF > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:20:40 2015] <robertkowalski>: thanks jan, sorry for not > > >> providing context > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:20:41 2015] <jan____>: I wouldn’t mind taking this on > as > > an > > >> off-by-default feature > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:04 2015] <jan____>: plus klaus is already working on > > >> making it for 2.0 etc. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:09 2015] <Wohali>: +1, off-by-default, assuming > there > > >> are some tests added and it doesn't break in clustered mode > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:13 2015] <klaus_trainer>: See > > >> https://github.com/KlausTrainer/couchperuser > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:20 2015] <Kxepal>: I guess we need to run a vote and > > IP > > >> clearance then > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:32 2015] <jan____>: I’d be happy to be the officer > > that > > >> runs the import paperwork > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:49 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: thank you a lot for > that! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:21:59 2015] <jan____>: Wohali: has tests, don’t know > > about > > >> cluster mode yet, klaus_trainer? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:22:22 2015] <Buddhika>: Hi peple :D > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:22:22 2015] <jan____>: been doing imports lately, don’t > > >> mind it :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:22:29 2015] <klaus_trainer>: Currently there are no > tests > > >> that we can use right now. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:22:35 2015] <robertkowalski>: i am happy to help out > > >> jan____ if klaus_trainer has questions, as i did that for mango with > > jan____ > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:22:37 2015] <Wohali>: jan____: as always the hard thing > > is > > >> that many plugins make assumptions that aren't cluster-safe, e.g. > being > > the > > >> "only" node involved in something, making assumptions about locking > > things > > >> down, etc. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:23:19 2015] <jan____>: Wohali: yeah, looking forward > how > > >> klaus_trainer is solving this :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:23:23 2015] <Wohali>: yay > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:23:40 2015] <Wohali>: i'd say get the ip clearance > done, > > >> put in a branch, hopefully clean up for official 2.0 release > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:20 2015] <Wohali>: anything else? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:32 2015] <klaus_trainer>: Sounds good. I'm > definitely > > >> willing to do more work on it assuming that we can integrate it. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:38 2015] <Wohali>: yay > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:40 2015] <Wohali>: moving on > > >> ## Google Summer of Code (GSoC) ## > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:46 2015] <robertkowalski>: shall i kick off a vote > on > > >> the dev-ml for the codebase? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:24:51 2015] <jan____>: in addition, would say this > isn’t > > >> blocking 2,0 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:25:06 2015] <Wohali>: agreed, not a 2.0 blocker, get it > > in > > >> a branch and put in 2.0 if we can make it sane > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:25:23 2015] <jan____>: robertkowalski: +1 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:25:49 2015] <robertkowalski>: ok > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:26:04 2015] <robertkowalski>: so we are particiapting > in > > >> this years google summer of code! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:26:17 2015] <jan____>: #action robertkowalski to start > > vote > > >> for couchperuser > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:26:22 2015] <jan____>: \o/ > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:26:38 2015] <klaus_trainer>: Yay! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:26:48 2015] <robertkowalski>: Ndeeshaan and Buddhika > are > > >> also here today > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:27:13 2015] <robertkowalski>: I think we have 5 > students > > >> that are interested > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:27:38 2015] <robertkowalski>: and the deadline for the > > >> proposals is in 1-2weeks > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:28:12 2015] <Ndeeshaan>: 27 th of March is the deadline > > >> precisely :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:28:46 2015] <robertkowalski>: we are still searching > for > > >> mentors, jan____ is mentoring the queryserver protocol improvements, > > and i > > >> am mentoring for fauxton > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:29:19 2015] <robertkowalski>: but more mentors would be > > >> even better! :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:29:20 2015] <Wohali>: i'm sorry that i can't volunteer > > this > > >> time > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:30:11 2015] <robertkowalski>: Buddhika: I will look > for a > > >> template for the proposal tonight for you and Ndeeshaan > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:30:24 2015] <robertkowalski>: and the other students > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:30:40 2015] <Buddhika>: That would be great > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:30:46 2015] <jan____>: Wohali: do not worry! <3 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:30:48 2015] <robertkowalski>: Wohali: no worries! next > > year! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:31:20 2015] <Ndeeshaan>: robertkowalski: Thanks a lot > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:31:36 2015] <robertkowalski>: we are also happy to help > > >> with the proposals, at least where we can > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:32:25 2015] <robertkowalski>: i think thats it so far > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:32:32 2015] <Buddhika>: We'll try to prepare draft > > >> proposals as soon as possible. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:32:48 2015] <Buddhika>: We have one week to refine > them. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:33:27 2015] <robertkowalski>: cool! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:33:38 2015] <Ndeeshaan>: I have completed my draft > > proposal > > >> and I can send it :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:34:17 2015] <robertkowalski>: awesome! > > >> ## couchdb-www / [email protected] ## > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:35:49 2015] <jan____>: we have a new git repo > couchdb-www > > >> that infra is testing git-based website publishing > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:37:10 2015] <jan____>: it isn’t 100% live yet, but the > EU > > >> mirror of the web server is already backed by it. So if we now want to > > make > > >> any changes, we have to do it in SVN and git, but only for a short > > while, > > >> until more projects signed up to use git and INFRA moves us over fully > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:37:34 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: \o/ > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:37:43 2015] <jan____>: in addition, we agreed to set > up a > > >> [email protected] mailing list and it exists now, but nothing is happening. > > Does > > >> anyone have any insight as to why? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:37:45 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: is it on github? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:38:11 2015] <jan____>: no github mirror yet > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:38:14 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: i guess everyone > > is > > >> waiting for github to send PRs > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:38:49 2015] <jan____>: yeah, I’ve been pushy, but infra > > is > > >> also busy with other stuff > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:39:26 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: at least i am > > doing > > >> that (waiting) before writing to www@ that we have git now > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:39:30 2015] <jan____>: but about www@ — what are we > > >> waiting for? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:40:45 2015] <robertkowalski>: arun_agarwal is also > > >> subscribed waiting for github prs > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:41:31 2015] <robertkowalski>: at least i asked him to > do > > >> that > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:42:07 2015] <arun_agarwal>: robertkowalski: yup, true > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:42:09 2015] <jan____>: ok, thanks! > > >> ## couchdbdocker ## > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:45:24 2015] <jan____>: just FYI: The couchdb-docker > > project > > >> is also being imported from github, necessary paperwork on their end > has > > >> been filed, next step is getting the IP clearance going, will do that > > this > > >> week. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:45:37 2015] <Kxepal>: \o/ > > >> ## nano import ## > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:47:13 2015] <jan____>: Garren has been sorting out the > > >> legal paperwork for nano, and we are close. once that is all done, > we’ll > > >> start the usual import procedure, I’m also shepherding that. > > >> ## _bulk_revs ## > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:48:53 2015] <jan____>: I’m interested in optmising > > >> replication performance using _bulk_revs / COUCHDB-2310 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:49:25 2015] <jan____>: we are basically waiting for a > > patch > > >> from benoitc, but if that doesn’t materialise, I’ll look at doing it > > from > > >> scratch. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:49:38 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: I had a talk with him > > today > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:49:40 2015] <Wohali>: +1 to try from scratch > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:49:51 2015] <Kxepal>: he'll try to find a time to make > it > > >> soon > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:49:53 2015] <jan____>: Kxepal: any news? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:50:15 2015] <jan____>: Kxepal: ok, nice to hear. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:50:46 2015] <robertkowalski>: Kxepal: did he mention a > > >> specific timeframe in that he wants to try to find time? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:50:50 2015] <jan____>: I have a week or two before I > can > > >> look into it proper, so that would be my cutoff date > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:51:23 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: ah ok, good idea > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:51:24 2015] <Kxepal>: robertkowalski: no, but that's in > > his > > >> priority list todo for couchdb now as I understood. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:52:03 2015] <Kxepal>: so let's give him a little bit > time > > >> to finish the job > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:52:13 2015] <jan____>: k > > >> ## 2.0 ## > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:54:19 2015] <robertkowalski>: i was one week away but i > > >> think nothing has happened for 2.0, right? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:54:51 2015] <robertkowalski>: i still did not have time > > to > > >> work on my items, blocked by mango and other stuff > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:54:59 2015] <jan____>: small things, as far as I can > see > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:55:02 2015] <Kxepal>: robertkowalski: nothing criminal, > > >> right > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:55:52 2015] <jan____>: I did some local hacking on the > > >> build/packaging stuff, but need to find more time, nothing to show yet > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:56:22 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: can i send you a > > pr > > >> with my script that pulls names out of the subrepos? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:56:41 2015] <robertkowalski>: i talked to several > people > > >> and they all said we don't need the number of commits > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:57:09 2015] <jan____>: just commit to my branch > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:57:17 2015] <robertkowalski>: because the exact number > of > > >> commits is broken as some commmits are still in the old couchdb master > > >> branch, some not > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:57:34 2015] <arun_agarwal>: jan____: is there any jira > > >> ticket where the hack steps are documented? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:58:00 2015] <jan____>: arun_agarwal: which hack steps > > >> specifically? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:58:15 2015] <arun_agarwal>: jan____: on build/packaging > > >> stuff. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:59:02 2015] <arun_agarwal>: jan____: was just curious, > > >> nothing specific :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:59:17 2015] <jan____>: arun_agarwal: hm, there isn‘t > much > > >> to explain > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:59:36 2015] <jan____>: arun_agarwal: I’m currently > > working > > >> here https://github.com/apache/couchdb/pull/302 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:59:39 2015] <arun_agarwal>: jan____: ohk. I see, please > > go > > >> ahead. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 20:59:58 2015] <jan____>: there is some feedback that I > need > > >> to incorporate > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:00:22 2015] <jan____>: and I think I’m blocked by a > > cyclic > > >> dependency, but I’ll figure it out. Might have to rename ./configure > to > > >> ./bootstrap > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:00:34 2015] <jan____>: or strip some stuff from > > ./configure > > >> and move it into a ./bootstrap, but not 100% sure yet > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:00:58 2015] <jan____>: anything else on 2.0? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:00:58 2015] <arun_agarwal>: jan____: sure. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:02:06 2015] <robertkowalski>: oh sebastianrothbuc you > > write > > >> "BTW: so did copying in 1.6.1 files, calling them from local port, > > >> replicating them up to the cluster port." - does that fix COUCHDB-2593 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:02:09 2015] <robertkowalski>: ? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:02:28 2015] <robertkowalski>: > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2593 - maybe you can > > take a > > >> look later > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:03 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: at least I tried to > > destroy > > >> something in such a setup (i.e. copy "old" 1.6.1 .couch files into the > > 2.0 > > >> data dir > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:05 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: but it just works > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:10 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: you get the databases > on > > >> the local port > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:19 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: you can create one > (same > > >> name) on the cluster port > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:20 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: replicate > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:22 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: and that's it > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:23 2015] <jan____>: I’d like to start looking at > > running > > >> the 1.x JS test suite against master, so we can see how compatible 1.x > > and > > >> 2.0 are going to be. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:03:42 2015] <jan____>: This will require some changes > and > > >> reorganisation to the tests, but I think it’ll be very worth it, if we > > want > > >> to make upgrades as painless as possible > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:04:02 2015] <jan____>: (nice) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:04:10 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: js test suite need in > > global > > >> refactoring, since it still remember the days when it ran from > browsers > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:04:30 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: can't we run it from > > >> browser again? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:04:38 2015] <Kxepal>: "some changes" may be not a > trivial > > >> to made > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:04:59 2015] <Kxepal>: sebastianrothbuc: no, because > some > > >> browsers (I didn't mention chome) are buggy on some cases > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:05:07 2015] <jan____>: I know there was a lot of work > on > > >> other sort of tests as well, but as far as I can tell, they are all > > >> tailored for 2.0/master. I’m specifically interested in 1.x compat > and I > > >> think the JS tests cover the API well and have yet only run against > the > > >> local interface > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:05:15 2015] <jan____>: why does it need a major > refactor? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:05:37 2015] <jan____>: they run in browsrs and on the > CLI > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:05:46 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: because it's full of > > terror > > >> if you're trying to figure why test fails. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:06:06 2015] <jan____>: all we need to do is point them > at > > >> the cluster port and disable the ones that we don’t expect to work > > (_config > > >> etc) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:06:23 2015] <jan____>: Kxepal: I’ve lived in that world > > for > > >> many years, I’m not afraid > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:06:37 2015] <jan____>: and I don’t want to refactor the > > >> tests because I specificallyw ant to run out 1.x suite against 2.0 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:06:44 2015] <jan____>: once we are over, we can do > > whatever > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:06:52 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: not sure to hug you or > > call > > >> a hero > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:07:19 2015] <jan____>: lol <3 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:07:54 2015] <jan____>: I’mma bring this up on dev@ > > >> separately to hear from folks > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:08:12 2015] <Kxepal>: good call > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:08:28 2015] <jan____>: I think that will flush out some > > >> more things we need to do, but after that, we are getting closer to > the > > >> final stretch > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:09:00 2015] <robertkowalski>: short question reagrding > > the > > >> logo process > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:09:50 2015] <robertkowalski>: i talked to sean and he > > would > > >> take the proposed position on the mailinglist. can i propose him or > how > > >> does it work? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:10:53 2015] <jan____>: what do you mean “proposed > > position“ > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:11:46 2015] <robertkowalski>: nslater sent an mail to > the > > >> mailing list: > > >> > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/couchdb-marketing/201503.mbox/%3CCAPaJBx4gf-yAnMPDGrKnWuN-FsC0dmuBeNLvaVpcDCyAr5CYGQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:12:08 2015] <robertkowalski>: "The community selects a > > >> person or person(s) to > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:12:09 2015] <robertkowalski>: do the design. That > person > > is > > >> then entrusted to do the stuff. No > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:12:10 2015] <robertkowalski>: voting necessary. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:12:11 2015] <robertkowalski>: " > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:13:26 2015] <Kxepal>: robertkowalski: ok, but we have a > > >> group of people that made a logo. each own with own vision and > > arguments. > > >> what's now? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:13:31 2015] <jan____>: good question, I think yeah, > just > > >> nominate him > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:13:54 2015] <jan____>: design by committee! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:11 2015] <robertkowalski>: Kxepal: so far no one got > > >> nominated by anyone > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:28 2015] <robertkowalski>: but i am also not sure > what > > >> we do if we have multiple nominations. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:32 2015] <robertkowalski>: hmm.. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:39 2015] <nslater>: I'm at a gig > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:47 2015] <robertkowalski>: Wohali: what do you > think? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:50 2015] <nslater>: just to say: my email was just a > > >> recommendation > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:14:56 2015] <jan____>: I’m in favour of letting a > > >> professional designer take this on. They can work with the other > > proposal > > >> people to figure out which way to go > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:01 2015] <nslater>: let's do whatever makes sense > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:02 2015] <jan____>: ultimately the PMC decides > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:08 2015] <jan____>: nslater: get out of here > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:10 2015] <nslater>: my words are not golden > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:13 2015] <jan____>: nslater: <3 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:16 2015] <nslater>: :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:31 2015] <nslater>: cya! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:15:53 2015] <jan____>: what is important: we will hurt > > >> people’s feelings, we need to be prepared to do this > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:16:01 2015] <jan____>: this isn’t everybody throws > their > > >> patch/+1 in > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:16:20 2015] <Wohali>: sorry i was lying down > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:16:39 2015] <Wohali>: can someone give me a quick > > question > > >> as to "what do you think" means? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:17:21 2015] <robertkowalski>: Wohali: we are unsure > about > > >> the process regarding the logo and how to proceed with the many > > submissions > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:17:31 2015] <jan____>: I like Noah’s suggestion, the > PMC > > is > > >> the customer and makes the final call, they work with a nominated > > designer > > >> that works out one or more proposals with the other community folks. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:17:40 2015] <jan____>: community gets to vote on > > >> preferences, PMC makes a call. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:18:03 2015] <jan____>: I have no qualms about having > > >> Sean/Cloudant be that designer > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:18:04 2015] <Wohali>: agree, PMC is the ajudicator and > > >> probably will result in a PMC vote. We need to review the bylaws on > this > > >> one to ensure there's appropriate precedent there > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:16 2015] <robertkowalski>: Wohali: you mean adding > > that > > >> process to the bylaws? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:21 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: mmm...I'd like to argue > > you, > > >> but not now > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:39 2015] <Wohali>: robertkowalski: all standards re: > > >> voting are in the bylaws. not sure if this is covered. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:47 2015] <jan____>: Kxepal: let’s do it on > marketing@ > > — > > >> I’ll reply there > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:52 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: ok > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:19:54 2015] <Wohali>: as for picking a designer/design > > >> group, well, that's ultimately also a PMC decision but with community > > input > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:20:13 2015] <Wohali>: in general in the past I've seen > > more > > >> of a " > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:20:15 2015] <Wohali>: oops > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:20:23 2015] <Wohali>: community vote on these things. > We > > >> picked the top 5, what do you think? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:20:27 2015] <jan____>: I’d say as per > > >> http://couchdb.apache.org/bylaws.html#types this is the “Create or > > amend > > >> official document” category > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:20:42 2015] <Wohali>: true, logo is an official thing > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:21:10 2015] <Wohali>: tthat says the vote would be on > the > > >> dev list, lazy 2/3rds, with PMC members only being binding votes > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:21:15 2015] <Wohali>: taht is consistent > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:21:34 2015] <Wohali>: but deciding how we get that logo > > >> done is a non-technical decision which is up to the committers > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:21:58 2015] <jan____>: maybe we can simplify things and > > >> just have anyone (including Sean) propose their work, we do a > community > > >> preference vote and then PMC decided > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:11 2015] <jan____>: no need to make a designer BDFL > > for > > >> the logo, all designers are BDFL for their proposal > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:12 2015] <Wohali>: i think that's fair, as long as a > > set > > >> timeline happens > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:27 2015] <Wohali>: e.g. all submissions by march 31 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:34 2015] <Wohali>: public vote by april 15 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:36 2015] <jan____>: Wohali: I’d say how the > designers > > >> make the logo is up t them :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:39 2015] <Wohali>: pmc decision by april 30 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:44 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: Wohali wise ideas > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:22:54 2015] <Wohali>: given we've had a lot of > > submissions > > >> this gives just enough time to pick your best submissions > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:01 2015] <Wohali>: we could even say 1 submission > per > > >> designer > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:01 2015] <jan____>: as long as we have the option to > > >> abort if nothing’s good, I’d be fine with that > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:11 2015] <Wohali>: pmc vote could include "d > > onothing," > > >> sure > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:22 2015] <jan____>: I like that > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:25 2015] <robertkowalski>: Wohali: great input! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:29 2015] <jan____>: get an alter ego if you want to > > have > > >> 2 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:38 2015] <Wohali>: hehe, no sock puppets please > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:50 2015] <jan____>: cool, that sounds like we have a > > plan > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:23:59 2015] <jan____>: robertkowalski: do you feel like > > >> writing this up? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:03 2015] <jan____>: :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:07 2015] <robertkowalski>: Wohali: thank you so > much! > > :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:12 2015] <Wohali>: it's what I do. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:30 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: if you could > give > > me > > >> a review before i send to the ML > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:45 2015] <robertkowalski>: jan____: then for sure! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:24:50 2015] <jan____>: robertkowalski: always! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:25:23 2015] <jan____>: Wohali: ^5 — thanks for talking > > this > > >> through, I think we’ve got something here. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:25:58 2015] <arun_agarwal>: Wohali: one quick question. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:04 2015] <robertkowalski>: one question: if some > folks > > >> (commiters, pmc) are against changing the logo > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:18 2015] <robertkowalski>: do they vote -1 in the > > >> committer vote? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:26 2015] <Wohali>: no no the committer vote is "vote > > for > > >> your favourite" > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:31 2015] <Wohali>: and we include the original logo > as > > >> an option > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:45 2015] <robertkowalski>: Wohali: ah thank you! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:47 2015] <Wohali>: then the PMC vote is to > > accept/reject > > >> the suggestios of the commitmters > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:26:50 2015] <Wohali>: arun_agarwal: go ahead > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:27:29 2015] <arun_agarwal>: Wohali: which team decides > > the > > >> genuinty of the logo that people are proposing.. the selected logo > > design > > >> could be "inspired" from some > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:27:35 2015] <arun_agarwal>: other logo and that could > be > > >> problem later on. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:27:48 2015] <arun_agarwal>: do we have a team which > > brings > > >> this as intellectual property? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:28:15 2015] <Wohali>: Apache does have legal council > who > > >> can help review these things, yes, as we intend to file the new logo > > under > > >> trademark / service mark law > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:28:18 2015] <jan____>: #action robertkowalski writes a > > text > > >> about the process > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:28:31 2015] <jan____>: arun_agarwal: there is a > > trademarks > > >> group at Apache, we’d run the final logo by them > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:29:20 2015] <arun_agarwal>: Wohali, jan____: hmm I > see.. > > >> that would be great, because while it unites us, we probably won't > have > > lot > > >> of time redoing this :D > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:29:46 2015] <jan____>: arun_agarwal: good call! :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:17 2015] <Wohali>: yes i think that happens after > the > > >> committer vote > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:21 2015] <jan____>: fwiw, the current logo is > > >> dangerously close to the German soccer league: > > >> https://encrypted.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=bundeliga&tbs=imgo:1 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:25 2015] <Wohali>: because if #1 is a problem, #2 in > > the > > >> ranking might not be > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:34 2015] <Wohali>: jan, haha > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:41 2015] <Wohali>: i don't fancy fighting FIFA! > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:30:52 2015] <jan____>: lol yeah, no > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:03 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: where do you see couch > on > > >> bundesliga logo? they aren't close. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:12 2015] <Wohali>: Kxepal: it's a joke, i think > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:18 2015] <jan____>: huh? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:32 2015] <Wohali>: i don't think they'd seriously > come > > >> after us, but i do see the similarity > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:40 2015] <Kxepal>: sorry, seems like my humor > process > > >> died > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:42 2015] <Wohali>: but, it might be hard to file for > > the > > >> trademark > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:49 2015] <jan____>: white shape with pronounced legs > > on > > >> red background > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:54 2015] <jan____>: totally close. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:32:59 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: too abstract description > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:33:14 2015] <jan____>: it is worse when you see it in > > >> real-life here, I have one on my commute and it gets me every time > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:33:29 2015] <jan____>: they aren’t pixel-perfect > copies, > > >> but if you see one casually trust me, you will think CouchDB :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:33:35 2015] <jan____>: all this is off topic for now > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:33:53 2015] <Kxepal>: yea, and that's a question for > > >> lawyers (: > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:33:58 2015] <jan____>: let’s wrap this :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:34:08 2015] <rkowalski__>: \o/ > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:34:44 2015] <arun_agarwal>: if all done, I have one > quick > > >> point. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:34:52 2015] <jan____>: shoot > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:34:59 2015] <arun_agarwal>: can someone fill the red > TBD > > @ > > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COUCHDB/Installing+CouchDB > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:35:28 2015] <arun_agarwal>: few new tech have > introduced > > >> starting 2.0. should we add that or get rid of this table? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:35:56 2015] <jan____>: arun_agarwal: ICU/Curl: same as > > 1.x > > >> / autoconf/make no longer required > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:16 2015] <Wohali>: i don't think curl is still > > required > > >> in 2.0 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:27 2015] <jan____>: incorrect > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:29 2015] <Kxepal>: Wohali: it need for tests iirc > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:30 2015] <Wohali>: at least, i think i removed the > > req't > > >> for that in dbcore prior to the merge? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:31 2015] <jan____>: :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:38 2015] <Wohali>: oh. boo. guess that didn't get > > merged. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:54 2015] <jan____>: still needed for CLI JS tests > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:36:59 2015] <jan____>: it is optional > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:00 2015] <robertkowalski>: we have this wiki page, > > >> https://github.com/apache/couchdb/blob/master/INSTALL.Unix and the > > >> official docs > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:01 2015] <Wohali>: k > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:04 2015] <jan____>: and off by default > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:08 2015] <robertkowalski>: oh and > > >> https://github.com/apache/couchdb/blob/master/README-DEV > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:10 2015] <Wohali>: yeah no auto*, but we need rebar > > now > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:21 2015] <Wohali>: and there are the extra req'ts > for > > >> building fauxton > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:29 2015] <arun_agarwal>: rebar and nodejs? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:32 2015] <jan____>: yeah, as mentioned on the ML, > I’m > > >> worried about duplication of content here > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:35 2015] <Wohali>: and npm > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:35 2015] <robertkowalski>: and they are all in > > different > > >> way outdated and up to date > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:46 2015] <robertkowalski>: can we remove some? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:51 2015] <jan____>: and grunt etc. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:37:59 2015] <jan____>: see the fauxton readme for > fauxton > > >> deps > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:14 2015] <arun_agarwal>: yes, we have so many links > > and > > >> many-many are dead > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:18 2015] <robertkowalski>: fauxton does not need a > > >> globally installed grunt soon any more > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:25 2015] <jan____>: > > >> http://couchdb.apache.org/developer-preview/2.0/ shows what is needed > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:35 2015] <arun_agarwal>: for one topic we should > > ideally > > >> have one doc and all other should be soft link to the detailed one > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:37 2015] <jan____>: we should only keep INSTALL.md > and > > >> DEVELOPER.md — everything else should link to them > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:38 2015] <arun_agarwal>: :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:47 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: +1 on that > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:38:58 2015] <arun_agarwal>: jan____: +1 > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:39:00 2015] <jan____>: robertkowalski: nice use of > future > > >> past tense there :D > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:39:35 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: and one for docs, or > > >> transform *.md into .rst to make them inclusive for docs > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:39:57 2015] <Wohali>: agree > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:17 2015] <jan____>: Kxepal: then we have tow places > > again > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:31 2015] <arun_agarwal>: Kxepal: but that won't > > generate > > >> twiki? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:37 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: after transform we don't > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:46 2015] <arun_agarwal>: oh sorry.. got it > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:53 2015] <jan____>: then we should put it all in the > > >> .rst docs and have INSTALL.rst and DEVELOPER.rst generated from there > at > > >> build time > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:40:54 2015] <arun_agarwal>: twiki will just link to > these > > >> markdowns > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:07 2015] <jan____>: arun_agarwal: let’s not also add > > >> this to the wiki, we are trying to consolidate, not spread : > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:26 2015] <jan____>: :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:31 2015] <jan____>: right :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:31 2015] <arun_agarwal>: jan____: yup.. understood > and > > >> agree .. my bad...:) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:49 2015] <jan____>: no worries > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:41:52 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: mmm..you suggest to > build > > >> the couchdb, make the docs first? (: > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:42:30 2015] <jan____>: the requirements are: we need > two > > >> top level source tree files that we can have in tarballs (ideally also > > git) > > >> and two places in the docs where the user and dev setup are explained. > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:42:48 2015] <sebastianrothbuc>: can one not link to > these > > >> docs on github and that's it? > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:00 2015] <jan____>: maybe we can make it that the > top > > >> level INSTALL.rst and DEVELOPER.rst are included in the docs build > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:04 2015] <Kxepal>: sebastianrothbuc: no internet > case > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:06 2015] <jan____>: that would be easiest > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:16 2015] <robertkowalski>: sebastianrothbuc: yes i > > would > > >> prefer that > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:16 2015] <Kxepal>: jan____: yeap, clear > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:28 2015] <jan____>: offlineofflineoffline :) > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:50 2015] <jan____>: robertkowalski: no go, can’t be > > >> online > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:43:57 2015] <jan____>: Kxepal: cool, let’s work on that > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:44:09 2015] <jan____>: #action Kxepal and jan____ to > > figure > > >> out consolidation of install instructions > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:44:30 2015] <Kxepal>: deal (: > > >> [Wed Mar 18 21:45:47 2015] <jan____>: ASFBot: meeting end > > >> > > >> > > >> Meeting ended at Wed Mar 18 21:45:47 2015 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Cheers, > > > Madhuka Udantha > > > http://madhukaudantha.blogspot.com > > > > > > -- > Cheers, > Madhuka Udantha > http://madhukaudantha.blogspot.com > -- Andy Wenk Hamburg - Germany RockIt! 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