That's a perfectly valid solution for some people. I prefer to work with
unmodified SDKs so that I don't accidentally release any projects that
break for other people because their SDKs are not modified like mine.
- Josh
On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:42 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:
> I would modify my flex-config.xml, so I don't have to modify every project.
>
> -Alex
>
> On 6/2/17, 8:38 AM, "Josh Tynjala" <joshtynj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >If I need to set an option, then I might as well set -output or
> >-js-output.
> >I simply wouldn't use -outputFolderMap.
> >
> >- Josh
> >
> >On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:25 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> OK, sorry, I did miss that. I thought you were the one who wanted the
> >> output in the same folder, but I was mistaken.
> >>
> >> Keep in mind that:
> >>
> >> 1) The SWF compiler (MXMLC for both the regular Flex SDK and FlexJS)
> >> defaults to putting the output in the same folder. So, if you have:
> >>
> >> /projects/SomeProject/SomeProject.mxml
> >>
> >> By default, the SWF is:
> >>
> >> /projects/SomeProject/SomeProject.swf
> >>
> >> 2) I have another folder of projects that don't have src folders at all.
> >> So before November 2016, when the default was as you propose it to be
> >> again, the problem was this. If I have two projects:
> >>
> >> /projects/SomeProject/SomeProject.mxml
> >> /projects/SomeOtherProject/SomeOtherProject/mxml
> >>
> >> Compiling one overwrites the bin folder of the other in projects/bin.
> >>
> >>
> >> IMO, there is "no right answer", so I now think that we should add a
> >> configuration option like:
> >>
> >> -outputFolderMap=src/main/flex,bin
> >> -outputFolderMap+=.,../bin
> >>
> >> Then folks can configure defaults any way they want. The "." is the
> >> special case for no matches with other patterns. You have proposed the
> >> default to be
> >>
> >>
> >> -outputFolderMap+=.,../bin
> >>
> >>
> >> It is currently:
> >>
> >> -outputFolderMap+=.,bin
> >>
> >>
> >> AIUI, Maven actually specifies the equivalent of:
> >>
> >> -outputFolderMap=src/main/flex,target
> >>
> >> So folks who want to leverage that somehow could do so.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6/2/17, 7:33 AM, "Josh Tynjala" <joshtynj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >You seem to be missing the most important part of my proposal. The
> >> >compiler
> >> >will put the "bin" directory in the parent of the main source folder,
> >> >regardless of whether it's named "src", "source", "alex-is-cool" or
> >>*any*
> >> >name whatsoever. I put some pseudo-code to explain that in one of my
> >> >emails, but I guess you missed it. That's the main proposal. In
> >>addition
> >> >to
> >> >that, "src/main/flex" would still be a special exception because it's a
> >> >more complex nested structure (otherwise, you'd get "src/main/bin"). I
> >> >hope
> >> >that makes it clear!
> >> >
> >> >- Josh
> >> >
> >> >On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 10:39 PM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Maybe I don't understand your proposal. Currently I think you can
> >>say
> >> >> that there are exceptions for "src" and "src/main/flex". AIUI, your
> >> >> proposal is that only "src/main/flex" would be handled differently.
> >> >>
> >> >> -Alex
> >> >>
> >> >> On 6/1/17, 12:13 PM, "Josh Tynjala" <joshtynj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Why would you need to stop and reconfigure all of those projects?
> >>With
> >> >>the
> >> >> >change that I suggested, all of your projects that use "src" would
> >> >> >continue
> >> >> >to work just fine with no changes required.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Yes, I'm perfectly happy making any changes after this release.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >- Josh
> >> >> >
> >> >> >On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Alex Harui
> >><aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Believe me, I am not worried about perfection here.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I am saying that if we make changes, we should allow the set of
> >> >>patterns
> >> >> >> to be configurable so we don't have to change the compiler to add
> >>new
> >> >> >> patterns. I already have a large set of projects with only "src"
> >> >>and I
> >> >> >> would prefer not to have to stop and reconfigure all of those
> >> >>projects.
> >> >> >> When I have to debug into the compiling of a Flash Builder
> >>project,
> >> >>it
> >> >> >> will save me time to not have to remember to add the output
> >>folder.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Having a config option would allow you to have what you want and
> >>for
> >> >>me
> >> >> >>to
> >> >> >> have what I want. Can we agree to add a config option, but maybe
> >> >>after
> >> >> >> this release?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> >> -Alex
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On 6/1/17, 11:51 AM, "Josh Tynjala" <joshtynj...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >If there are other nested source directory structures
> >>recommended as
> >> >> >> >standard practice by opinionated tools, similar to how Maven use
> >> >> >> >"src/main/flex", then sure, let's add them as we become aware of
> >> >>them.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"srcx/main/flex" would indeed not be solved by my recommended
> >> >>change.
> >> >> >> >However, "source", "srcx", or "whatever-i-want-to-call-it" would
> >> >>all be
> >> >> >> >solved, and I think a single directory with a different name than
> >> >> >>"src" is
> >> >> >> >vastly more common than another nested directory structure like
> >> >> >> >"srcx/main/flex". At least from my experience looking at real
> >>world
> >> >> >> >projects over the years. Let's not let perfection stop us from
> >> >>making
> >> >> >>an
> >> >> >> >improvement that will reduce the time users spend on figuring out
> >> >>why
> >> >> >> >something isn't working as expected and contributors spend
> >> >>explaining
> >> >> >>why
> >> >> >> >"src" is a special case when it doesn't need to be.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >- Josh
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Alex Harui
> >> >><aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> >> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> If we allow one exception, why not more than one?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> What if we add an "outputFolderExceptions" list and default it
> >>to
> >> >> >>just
> >> >> >> >> contain "src/main/flex". Then I could add "src" in my SDK
> >> >>installs
> >> >> >>to
> >> >> >> >>get
> >> >> >> >> what I want. Still not sure how it solves the original problem
> >> >> >>though.
> >> >> >> >> If someone has a src/main/flex pattern and changes it to
> >> >> >>srcx/main/flex
> >> >> >> >> seems like they will still be surprised.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> -Alex
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> On 6/1/17, 10:39 AM, "Josh Tynjala" <joshtynj...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >If we do as I suggest, there would no longer be a list of
> >> >>patterns.
> >> >> >>I
> >> >> >> >>want
> >> >> >> >> >to allow *any* folder name. That's what I mean by
> >>generalizing.
> >> >>Just
> >> >> >> >> >automatically put the "bin" directory relative to the parent
> >> >> >>directory
> >> >> >> >>of
> >> >> >> >> >the main source file. (with one exception: Maven-style project
> >> >> >> >>structures
> >> >> >> >> >with src/main/flex would still be a special case).
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Right now, if you compile like this...
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >mxmlc src/MyProject.mxml
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >...you get a "bin" directory in the same parent directory as
> >> >>"src".
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >I want to allow you to use ANY name instead of "src" too, like
> >> >>this:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >mxmlc source/MyProject.mxml
> >> >> >> >> >mxmlc whatever-i-want-to-call-it/MyProject.mxml
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >... and still get a "bin" directory relative to "source" or
> >> >> >> >> >"whatever-i-want-to-call-it". Replace "source" or
> >> >> >> >> >"whatever-i-want-to-call-it" with *any* folder name at random,
> >> >>and I
> >> >> >> >>want
> >> >> >> >> >it to just work.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >The compiler would do something similar to this pseudo-code:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >File mainClass = new
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>File("/path/to/MyProject/whatever-i-want-to-call-it/
> >> MyProject.mxml");
> >> >> >> >> >File bin = mainClass.getParent().getParent().resolve("bin");
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >You'd get /path/to/MyProject/bin/
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >- Josh
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Alex Harui
> >> >> >><aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> >> >> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> I just want to optimize for a couple of common cases in
> >>order
> >> >>to
> >> >> >> >>save me
> >> >> >> >> >> and maybe other folks some time. If for some reason I need
> >>to
> >> >> >> >>compile a
> >> >> >> >> >> Flash Builder project from the command-line or Ant or Java
> >> >> >>debugger,
> >> >> >> >>I
> >> >> >> >> >> don't have to remember to set the -output parameter.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> I used to get FB projects in JIRA and email and then unpack
> >> >>them
> >> >> >>and
> >> >> >> >> >> compile them outside of FB because then I can get the
> >>debugger
> >> >>on
> >> >> >> >>them
> >> >> >> >> >> more easily. All of our examples are set up so you can
> >>compile
> >> >> >>them
> >> >> >> >> >>from
> >> >> >> >> >> the command line and not have to type the -output parameter.
> >> >>And
> >> >> >>if
> >> >> >> >>you
> >> >> >> >> >> make a mistake typing the output folder name, it ends up
> >> >>creating
> >> >> >>a
> >> >> >> >>new
> >> >> >> >> >> folder with that name.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> I'm not sure what you mean by generalizing. Are you
> >>suggesting
> >> >> >> >>allowing
> >> >> >> >> >> folks to add more patterns to the set of folders where the
> >> >> >>compiler
> >> >> >> >>will
> >> >> >> >> >> chose the parent of the folder pattern? I'm not sure how
> >>that
> >> >> >>solves
> >> >> >> >> >>the
> >> >> >> >> >> problem. Seems like you'd still be surprised if you use
> >> >>"source"
> >> >> >>or
> >> >> >> >> >> something that isn't in the default list so a warning would
> >> >>still
> >> >> >> >>help,
> >> >> >> >> >> but if that's what you want to do, seems like it wouldn't
> >>hurt.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> My 2 cents,
> >> >> >> >> >> -Alex
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> On 6/1/17, 9:59 AM, "Josh Tynjala" <joshtynj...@gmail.com>
> >> >>wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >I'm not sure that I understand why you mentioned changing
> >> >>Flash
> >> >> >> >> >>Builder's
> >> >> >> >> >> >default source path. That seems mostly tangential here.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >I'm saying that the compiler shouldn't care whether it's
> >>named
> >> >> >> >>"src",
> >> >> >> >> >> >"source", or "whatever-i-want-to-call-it". It should simply
> >> >> >>default
> >> >> >> >>to
> >> >> >> >> >> >putting "bin" in the parent of that folder. A warning might
> >> >>be a
> >> >> >> >>good
> >> >> >> >> >> >temporary workaround, but generalizing this behavior is
> >> >> >> >>significantly
> >> >> >> >> >> >better, in my opinion.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >- Josh
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Alex Harui
> >> >> >> >><aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> >> >> >> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> I think "src" is for Flash Builder. I don't know what it
> >> >>would
> >> >> >> >>take
> >> >> >> >> >>to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> get FB to default to something else. I know I have lots
> >>of
> >> >> >> >>projects
> >> >> >> >> >> >>with
> >> >> >> >> >> >> just a "src" folder.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> I agree it is confusing. We could output a warning or
> >> >>error if
> >> >> >> >>you
> >> >> >> >> >> >> haven't specified -output, -js-output and don't have
> >>"src"
> >> >>or
> >> >> >> >> >> >> "src/main/flex" folders. Something like "Warning: output
> >> >> >>folder
> >> >> >> >>not
> >> >> >> >> >> >> specified and src or src/main/flex folders not specified.
> >> >> >>Output
> >> >> >> >> >>will
> >> >> >> >> >> >>be
> >> >> >> >> >> >> in <name of output folder".
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Would that help eliminate confusion? That's easy for
> >> >>someone
> >> >> >>to
> >> >> >> >>add
> >> >> >> >> >>to
> >> >> >> >> >> >> MXMLFlexJSPublisher.java.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thoughts?
> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Alex
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 6/1/17, 8:52 AM, "Josh Tynjala"
> >><joshtynj...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >>wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >I think I had some trouble trying to get -output to
> >>accept
> >> >>a
> >> >> >> >> >>directory
> >> >> >> >> >> >>for
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >a JS-only project, and that's when I figured out that
> >> >> >>-js-output
> >> >> >> >> >> >>exists.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Maybe I was doing something wrong at the time. Or maybe
> >>it
> >> >> >>didn't
> >> >> >> >> >>quite
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >work properly yet.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Although, I still think it's confusing to those who
> >>don't
> >> >> >>realize
> >> >> >> >> >>that
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"src" and "src/main/flex" get special treatment and then
> >> >>"bin"
> >> >> >> >>ends
> >> >> >> >> >>up
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >somewhere else if they happen to choose a different name
> >> >>for a
> >> >> >> >>new
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >project.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Between me and Santanu, that's two people who had to
> >>waste
> >> >> >>time
> >> >> >> >>on
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >figuring
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >out why "bin" ended up somewhere we didn't expect. I
> >>could
> >> >> >>live
> >> >> >> >> >> >>without it
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >being the current working directory if "bin" would
> >>simply
> >> >>go
> >> >> >>into
> >> >> >> >> >>the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >parent directory of the directory containing the main
> >> >>class by
> >> >> >> >> >>default,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >regardless of whether it's named "src" or not. If
> >> >> >> >>"src/main/flex" is
> >> >> >> >> >> >>the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >only special case, that's better, in my opinion.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >- Josh
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:16 AM, Alex Harui
> >> >> >> >> >><aha...@adobe.com.invalid>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> And if you just use -output and not -js-output the bin
> >> >> >>folder
> >> >> >> >> >>will be
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> where you specified -output, and if you specify
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -output=somefolder\somefile.swf the output will be in
> >> >> >> >> >> somefolder\bin.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The logic is trying to say:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 1) If you specify -output as a SWF, we will use the
> >> >>parent
> >> >> >> >>folder
> >> >> >> >> >>of
> >> >> >> >> >> >>the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> SWF
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2) If you specify -output as a folder, we will use
> >>that
> >> >> >>folder
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 3) If you specify -js-output, we will use that
> >> >>regardless of
> >> >> >> >>what
> >> >> >> >> >>you
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>used
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> for -output
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 4) If you didn't specify -output or -js-output then
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> A) If you have a src folder or src/main/flex folder
> >>we
> >> >> >>will
> >> >> >> >>use
> >> >> >> >> >>the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> parent of src
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> B) Otherwise we will use the parent folder of the
> >>main
> >> >> >>source
> >> >> >> >> >>file.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I don't agree that CWD is the right default. For me,
> >> >>I've
> >> >> >> >>always
> >> >> >> >> >> >>had a
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> folder full of test cases and am not always changing
> >> >> >>folders.
> >> >> >> >>I
> >> >> >> >> >> >>think
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>the
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> regular Flex MXMLC worked this way as well so I didn't
> >> >>want
> >> >> >>to
> >> >> >> >> >>change
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>that
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> pattern.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 4A is just a convenience for those who follow certain
> >> >>common
> >> >> >> >> >> >>patterns so
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> they don't have to do as much typing on the command
> >>line.
> >> >> >>It
> >> >> >> >> >>might
> >> >> >> >> >> >>also
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "do the right thing" for Flash Builder users. I think
> >> >>Maven
> >> >> >> >> >>always
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> specifies the output folder.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> My 2 cents,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Alex
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 6/1/17, 7:48 AM, "Josh Tynjala"
> >> >><joshtynj...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >>wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >In that case, the SWF will use the -output option:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >mxmlc -output=path/to/MyProject.swf -js-output=.
> >> >> >> >> >>source/MyProject.as
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >- Josh
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:30 AM, piotrz
> >> >> >> >> >><piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ahh..Ok now it is clear. What about if we have
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -compiler.targets=JSFLEX,SWF -
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> So -js-output will be also the place where SWF file
> >> >>will
> >> >> >> >> >>landed?
> >> >> >> >> >> >>- If
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>yes
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> that case this param could have different name.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Piotr
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Apache Flex PMC
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> View this message in context: http://apache-flex-
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >>development.2333347.n4.nabble.com/FlexJS-Why-FlexJS-
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>compiler-statically-looks-for-src-folder-tp61991p61997.html
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from the Apache Flex Development mailing list
> >> >> >>archive
> >> >> >> >>at
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Nabble.com.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
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