Hi all, I've created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-34515 and updated https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Flink+Improvement+Proposals to update the instructions for the community.
Best regards, Martijn On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 10:04 AM Martijn Visser <martijnvis...@apache.org> wrote: > > Hi all, > > Thanks for all your input. If there's no other opinions in the next > couple of days, then I'll update the documentation accordingly. > > Best regards, > > Martijn > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 4:51 AM Benchao Li <libenc...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > +1 for option 1. Thanks Martijn for taking care of this, I've also > > filed a issue[1] for the infra a few days ago, but haven't been > > resolved yet. > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-25451 > > > > Jane Chan <qingyue....@gmail.com> 于2024年2月10日周六 14:33写道： > > > > > > +1 for option 1. > > > > > > Hi Yun, > > > > > > > I am concerned about whether we can view the history of design docs > > > > > > > > > > If someone has editor permissions, they can also view the editing history > > > of Google Docs[1]. If the change history of the design document is equally > > > important, would it be possible to selectively share the editor link with > > > the developers involved in the discussion for the FLIP? > > > > > > [1] > > > https://support.google.com/docs/answer/190843?sjid=8405245178977557481-NC > > > > > > Best, > > > Jane > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 5:33 PM Sergey Nuyanzin <snuyan...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > +1 for option 1 > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 10:18 AM Jing Ge <j...@ververica.com.invalid> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > +1 for option 1. The Github discussions look more like an overlap to > > > > > the > > > > ML > > > > > instead of a wiki tool like Confluence. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Jing > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 10:08 AM Yun Tang <myas...@live.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > For the first solution, I am concerned about whether we can view the > > > > > > history of design docs, which is supported by Confluence wiki and > > > > GitHub > > > > > > discussions. From my understanding, even the discussion history > > > > > > could > > > > let > > > > > > others know the evolution of this feature and the history of a > > > > > > design > > > > doc > > > > > > is also really important. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > Yun Tang > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: Piotr Nowojski <pnowoj...@apache.org> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2024 14:17 > > > > > > To: dev@flink.apache.org <dev@flink.apache.org> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Alternative way of posting FLIPs > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 for the first option as well > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Piotrek > > > > > > > > > > > > śr., 7 lut 2024 o 16:48 Matthias Pohl > > > > > > <matthias.p...@aiven.io.invalid> > > > > > > napisał(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 for option 1 since it's a reasonable temporary workaround > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moving to GitHub discussions would either mean moving the current > > > > FLIP > > > > > > > collection or having the FLIPs in two locations. Both options do > > > > > > > not > > > > > seem > > > > > > > to be optimal. Another concern I had was that GitHub Discussions > > > > > wouldn't > > > > > > > allow integrating diagrams that easily. But it looks like they > > > > support > > > > > > > Mermaid [1] for diagrams. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One flaw of the GoogleDocs approach is, though, that we have to > > > > > > > rely > > > > on > > > > > > > diagrams being provided as PNG/JPG/SVG rather than draw.io > > > > > > > diagrams. > > > > > > > draw.io > > > > > > > is more tightly integrated with the Confluence wiki which allows > > > > > > > editing/updating diagrams in the wiki rather than using some > > > > > > > external > > > > > > tool. > > > > > > > Google Draw is also not that convenient to use in my opinion. > > > > > > > Anyway, > > > > > > > that's a minor issue, I guess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matthias > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://docs.github.com/en/get-started/writing-on-github/working-with-advanced-formatting/creating-diagrams > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 3:30 PM Lincoln Lee > > > > > > > <lincoln.8...@gmail.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Martijn moving this forward! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 for the first solution, because as of now it looks like this > > > > > > > > is > > > > a > > > > > > > > temporary solution and we're still looking forward to the > > > > improvement > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > ASF Infra, when the access is ok for contributors, we can back > > > > > > > > to > > > > the > > > > > > > > current workflow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For solution 2, one visible downside is that it becomes > > > > inconvenient > > > > > to > > > > > > > > look for flips (unless we permanently switch to github > > > > > > > > discussion). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to hearing more thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Lincoln Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Martijn Visser <martijnvis...@apache.org> 于2024年2月7日周三 21:51写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASF Infra has confirmed to me that only ASF committers can > > > > > > > > > access > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > ASF Confluence site since a recent change. One of the results > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > decision is that users can't signup and access Confluence, so > > > > only > > > > > > > > > committers+ can create FLIPs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASF Infra hopes to improve this situation when they move to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > Cloud > > > > > > > > > shortly (as in: some months), but they haven't committed on an > > > > > actual > > > > > > > > > date. The idea would be that we find a temporary solution > > > > > > > > > until > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > > can request access to Confluence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are a couple of ways we could resolve this situation: > > > > > > > > > 1. Contributors create a Google Doc and make that view-only, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > post > > > > > > > > > that Google Doc to the mailing list for a discussion thread. > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > discussions have been resolved, the contributor ask on the Dev > > > > > > mailing > > > > > > > > > list to a committer/PMC to copy the contents from the Google > > > > > > > > > Doc, > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > create a FLIP number for them. The contributor can then use > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > FLIP > > > > > > > > > to actually have a VOTE thread. > > > > > > > > > 2. We could consider moving FLIPs to "Discussions" on Github, > > > > like > > > > > > > > > Airflow does at https://github.com/apache/airflow/discussions > > > > > > > > > 3. Perhaps someone else has another good idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Martijn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sergey > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Best, > > Benchao Li
