On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 15:06 +0200, Lars Eilebrecht wrote: > According to Thorsten: > > > I have to admit that I am *really* disappointed about the communication > > of the conference planer and the whole organization of this conference. > > > > I personally have send three mails (other threads) before to the > > conference but still waiting for an answer (and I am not the only one). > > I reckon this one will not be different. :( > > Your last email regarding BOFs was submitted by you to the > ApacheCon planners 18 May and answered by me today (at 1:30 am).
Yeah, I was to fast. Sorry. > The other two emails you submitted end of March where regarding > a session proposal for the conference. It was submitted after > our CFP deadline and actually after our final planning meeting. > We usually cannot accept proposals received after the deadline > as this would be unfair to the other people that submitted > proposals. As far as I remember we answered your email and told > you that we cannot consider the proposal for ApacheCon Europe. > If we really didn't sent this email or if it wasn't received > by you, I'm sorry ... we always receive some unsolicited proposals > for sessions are the CFP deadline and often we don't have > to time to answer these or just fall through the cracks. > Hmm, ok I *never* received anything as answer for the mentioned mails for the proposal. I even wrote Ken Coar directly (that was the third mail) and no answer as well. No problem in not accepting the proposal because like you said it was not in time, but I was waiting for a NO or YES. That is the most basic thing IMO. Ignoring this mails leads to the situation of frustration. Even if you receive a lot of mails, it *should* be possible to copy n' paste something like: "sorry your proposal is to late, try next time within the deadline." ...but like I stated in the previous mail I am not the only one waiting for an answer of the conference planer (and the case I have in mind was not like mine). > > I guess that means we should follow the cocoon example and organize > > something for ourself to meet. > > > > BTW if we do so I guess I will not even attend the conference but only > > meet up with the people of the forrest community. I cannot understand > > why committers do not get discounts for the conference and having to pay > > the fee by myself it is just *too* much money. It is a petty but who can > > spend 800¤ + traveling cost + ... > > Sure, it would be great if we could find a sponsor to give every > committer or even every Apache user free admission to the conference, but > without such a big sponsor that's not possible. I was not talking about free admission but some % off (something like the group discount). It is the work of the committer that creating the basis for this conference (the software and communities). If the committer would not do their work for free the conference would not have anything to talk about. Did you thought about that? > ApacheCon is a > commercial tech conference and therefore there is a few for attending > the conference ... like with any other tech conference. Do you get > in for free at O'Reilly or JavaOne conferences? No, you don't. > Again I am not talking about free. ...and yes you get % on the above mentioned conference if you are staff of e.g. O'Reilly. Committer are staff of the ASF. > ApacheCon is not just a social get-to-gether of committers or members, > but a conference that provides intense lectures, tutorials, and > presentations to Apache users. It's there for people to learn something > about Apache and related technologies. > Agree. > Thorsten, as a committer you are probably aware of the ASF hackathon > that happens at the beginning of the conference (information about > this was provided some time ago). This event is a get-to-gether of > developers and open (only) to ASF members and committers. And > it's free of charge ... > Yeah, nice. I guess (hope) we will meet there. ;-) > If you do not consider this sufficient, then I'm afraid you may > want to consider organizing something yourself. > That is not the point. See above. > > > If my understanding is correct the organization of this conference is > > not directly from the ASF, right? > > ApacheCon is organized by the ASF in coorporation with a > commercial conference producer. > > Ok. > > My $0.02 > > ciao... Thanks for answering. :) ...and sorry if my mail was a wee bit harsh. I guess it was the frustration not getting any answer and having to pay the normal admission. Next time I will submit a proposal in time. ;-) Hope that you guys can arrange a small discount for committers that would be very welcome. ...again I do not expect it to be free. ;-) Then I could come for a day or two. I do not live in Germany anymore so going there will be not very cheap. No hard feelings. salu2 -- thorsten "Together we stand, divided we fall!" Hey you (Pink Floyd)
