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I think the magic G-ball should be embedded in the installer and let it make a random choice for the user :) The answer is "It is decidedly so." Matt Jeff Genender wrote: > Then lets agree to disagree. We should probably take this offline if it > needs to be discussed further. This is kind of off-topic. > > Jeff > > Aaron Mulder wrote: > >> Sorry Jeff, I have to disagree. If you asked me whether you should >> use Tomcat or Jetty, I really couldn't give you an informed answer. >> About the best I could say is "they both work fine in Geronimo, they >> do a couple things like virtual hosting slightly differently, and the >> Jetty team is actively involved in Geronimo whereas we pretty much >> built the Tomcat integration on our own." Still, that doesn't give >> you much guidance (the last bit there is the only reason I personally >> would have any preference at all). And I feel like I'm in the *most* >> informed 1% of all possible Geronimo users. >> >> I don't think it's sensible to argue over what "average" people know >> or don't know, it's just my feeling that if I can't make a clear >> decision for obvious reasons, then I can't ask every user who ever >> installs the product to make that same decision. >> >> Thanks, >> Aaron >> >> On 12/8/05, Jeff Genender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Erin Mulder wrote: >>> >>>> Jeff Genender wrote: >>>> >>>>> So you think your average Geronimo user will have no idea what a web >>>>> container is? >>>> >>>> It's possible. >>> >>> I asked "average" user...not whether its possible. The average user >>> will probably be a developer...who has done some degree of background on >>> the technologies. I would hazard to guess there are few people who use >>> BEA or Websphere and have absolutely no idea what a web container is. >>> >>> The developer will likely know what it is. I have a hard time with >>> equating someone's clickety-click Mom with our average user...its >>> ridicules, which was really what my previous response was directed >>> towards. >>> >>>> There are a lot of experienced J2EE developers out there who have only >>>> ever used full commercial stacks. Asking them to choose between two >>>> web >>>> containers is like asking them to choose EJB, MQ and Web Service >>>> implementations. They may pick Tomcat because they vaguely recognize >>>> the name, but having to make that choice will add anxiety to their >>>> install experience. >>> >>> I am sorry but I cannot agree here. I cannot believe there are many >>> "experienced" *J2EE* developers who have no idea what a web container >>> is. That is preposterous. Are there some? Sure - but I would say very >>> few. However, in servlet 101...of which many of these un-knowledgable >>> users would go, surely a mention of a web container, what it is, and >>> what they can use (including books, articles, internet), they should >>> have a minimal understanding of web containers. >>> >>>> Geronimo is also likely to become popular in academic settings (both >>>> classroom and self-study) where people will need to install the server >>>> before they get around to learning what a web container is. >>> >>> The academic component is such a small microcosm in the grand scheme of >>> users, this not even a reason to think its has a major effect of the >>> overall user-base. We should push the direction of Geronimo towards >>> what the community wants. If the community wants Jetty, give it to >>> them. If they want Tomcat, then let them have this. Let the community >>> decide. >>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Erin > > > >
