> I'm simply pointing out a lack of community involvement to date.
I would only add to this that the incubation proposal makes a controversial statement regarding existing involvement with the HBase community. It may be technically true if a certain company with involvement in HBase has also been interacting with "Accumulo", but is disingenuous to claim that the "community" has been involved here. It looks like strictly a one way street: They have been able to observe or borrow the fruits of our labor for years, and now at a suitable point wish to incubate at the ASF to compete with our project for community. That is not "community involvement". That is leeching. Best regards, - Andy Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein (via Tom White) >________________________________ >From: Gary Helmling <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 3:55 AM >Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Accumulo, another BigTable clone, has shown up on >Apache Incubator as a proposal > >> >> I've been in touch with this team for the last 18 months or so. >> They're good people, smart, and have a healthy respect for HBase and >> our team. Though they haven't contributed code or participated on the >> lists, I can vouch that they do follow our development and generally >> do understand HBase as well as what makes their system different. In >> the context of the incubator proposal, they're trying to explain why >> their system is different than HBase, and not trying to knock our >> project. >> > >Sure, I'm not trying to knock the people or the project. I am trying to >point out what I view as some inaccuracies in the comparison vs. HBase. But >I haven't seen the code, so I can only speculate. > >There are a couple things to keep in mind about the story here: >> - they first evaluated HBase 3 years ago. HBase at that point was not >> usable for their application - I think several of us here remember the >> state of HBase at the time and might have made the same decision. So, >> they started their own project with an internal team of 5-6 people. >> > >I can sympathize, but I don't see how that's relevant to the discussion of >whether it's a good idea to incubate this project now. > > >> - contributing to open source from within the NSA is not easy, for >> obvious reasons. They've jumped through many hoops to open source >> this, and we should be thankful for that. Now that they're out in open >> source land, I think we'll see them collaborating with us much more >> openly. >> >> >Again I can sympathize, and if I didn't make it clear before, I applaud the >efforts to open source this project! But the question at hand is not >whether it's good to open source the project, but whether it's appropriate >for incubation at the ASF. And honestly, I don't think where the project is >coming from should play into that decision. > >I'm simply pointing out a lack of community involvement to date. Maybe the >involvement is different with the other Apache projects cited, or maybe that >will change during incubation. But to the extent that collaboration is >encouraged, I think the lack of involvement to date is relevant. > > >Gary > > >
