At 12:31 PM 5/27/2002, you wrote: >On Mon, 27 May 2002, Sascha Schumann wrote: > > > > -0.9. Whoever said we were deprecating them? I thought the plan was > that > > > apachectl would continue to accept 'start|stop|restart' and would pass > > > them as 'httpd -k $ARGV' to Apache. That is what apachectl does > > > currently. Yes, you *could* say apachectl -k start with the new code and > > > it would work (I see no problem with that), but where in there are we > > > deprecating the old way? It sounds like just a convenience that -k > works, > > > not that it's the new preferred method. Getting rid of 'apachectl start' > > > and friends seems pointless to me, and it will irritate countless admins > > > to change it after so many years for no reason. > >Part of the point of the refactoring of apachectl was to get rid of two >major problems: > >- Having two different sets of arguments for httpd and apachectl is >confusing and difficult to document
How so? How is this different from syntax differences between any other two commands? Here is a wrapper used by administrators for five years, and you want to change the syntax "just because"? >So yes, -k should be the new preferred method. Preferred for apacectl? This change seems entirely gratuitous. I have an entirely different approach we might want to consider. Rather than implement -k, deprecate the -k flag in Win32. Apache takes no arguments today, only options. Introducing a single argument doesn't seem like a bad compromise. So we review the Win32 code and accept either -k start or simply start. And in the Unix port, we introduce httpd start [no -k flag whatsoever.] Phase out the -k documentation for Win32 in favor of the simple verb. If we wanted to allow httpd to stop itself by absolute PID, we could allow a second argument, the daemon's ID [be it a PID on unix, or a service's name on Win32.] So simply, httpd start httpd stop or more explicitly, httpd stop 2914 or where 'named daemons' are supported, [e.g. Win32, perhaps OSX at some point] httpd stop Apache2 Thoughts? Bill
