Hey Ryan, I will take that down, apologies for that confusion. I remember having some discussion around this before and my recollection was this was more of a concern about vendor content but after I read your reply I remembered this was a more general ASF sentiment. So with that, I still think distributing these through various channels would be valuable, while exposing them through playlists. For example, we added the Data Council talk you gave a while back where the video is hosted on Data Council's channel, but we've added it to the "Iceberg Talks Playlist".
Perhaps this would be a matter of having the PMC create some guidance on certain playlists like the meetups playlist I just created and then I can add videos from other channels that say Kevin and others own to upload Iceberg meetups and we can push visibility to certain videos from their channels that meet the criteria (like avoiding talks that are pushing a particular vendor or product for example). Would this align more with what you have in mind to avoid endorsements? On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 3:59 PM Ryan Blue <b...@databricks.com.invalid> wrote: > I strongly prefer not posting meetup videos on an official Apache Iceberg > channel. > > That's why we have up until now used the channel only for videos from > sanctioned Iceberg events <https://www.youtube.com/@ApacheIceberg/videos>, > like community syncs or the Apache Iceberg Summit. I wasn't aware that Bits > posted the last Seattle meetup video. > > An "official" distribution channel like this (one controlled by the > Iceberg PMC) needs to be careful about posting content because it can be > seen as an endorsement and there are reasonable objections around posting > some videos (for instance, they are strongly biased to a particular > solution or vendor). I don't want the PMC to be in the business of deciding > what gets to be on the official channel or not -- that's a whole set of > arguments that I think we want to steer clear of. This is also the reason > why the Iceberg site doesn't host blog posts, by the way. We originally had > requests for people to post articles, but I don't think it is wise for the > project to decide what opinions can be posted there. > > I think that we should remove the last meetup video and only post content > like the community sync videos. For everything else, I think it is a good > idea to have a separate channel. We can link to those channels to make them > easy to find, but we don't want to be in the middle when someone has an > opinion about what should or should not be posted and should not be seen as > endorsing any particular solutions. > > Ryan > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 1:44 PM Jack Ye <yezhao...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > posting/content management privileges to the Iceberg YouTube channel >> for these meetup recordings >> >> This sounds reasonable to me, when the meetup is recurring. So I am good >> with doing this for the Seattle meetup series. We have technically already >> done so for Bits for the community sync meeting series. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> -Jack >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 1:23 PM Jonathan Leang <leangjonat...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hey all, >>> >>> I have a question related to some questions about shared administration >>> of Apache Iceberg social/marketing channels such as YouTube in this >>> specific instance. Kevin Liu and I have organized the first Seattle Iceberg >>> meetups and it looks like there will be a steady stream of technical talks >>> about things like proposals and more generally recent developments in the >>> project. Bits (Brian Olsen) helped us get the most recent meetup posted on >>> the Apache Iceberg YouTube channel but we're hoping not to bother him every >>> month. We're wondering if Kevin and/or I can get posting/content management >>> privileges to the Iceberg YouTube channel for these meetup recordings. >>> >>> We asked Bits and he replied: >>> It would be good to have some trusted people + PMC coordinate the social >>> + marketing channels. In many projects I either see nobody really owning it >>> and it becomes abandoned over time and other times I see it primarily run >>> through one or two companies or individuals which doesn't scale. It would >>> be great if a small group of trusted volunteers comanage these marketing >>> channels with similar guidelines on how to coordinate when, channel >>> "voice", and following standard ASF COC guidelines, etc... >>> >>> Perhaps Bits and/or a PMC member could take on the responsibility of >>> building out the guidance on how to run this without too much overlap or >>> interference as it scales out. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Jonathan Leang >>> >> > > -- > Ryan Blue > Databricks >
