Floating this up again since we haven't gotten any movement on the thread. I couldn't find anything like an "official" YouTube or other socal for other ASF projects so AFAIK we are doing something a bit different (which is super cool btw).
>From looking through the existing YouTube channel for Iceberg, there are three playlists: Iceberg Talks, Iceberg Tutorials, and Iceberg Community Syncs. Iceberg Community Syncs are just that. Iceberg Talks and Iceberg Tutorials seem like they are mostly from vendors. Iceberg Talks specifically has the description "Conferences, Meetups, and any talk happening in the Iceberg Community". The meetups we want to post have been run in such a way that they are vendor agnostic. We've even come up with guidelines for this https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y87k-8nCMczzORIcsePDu6CWTTO0h9qI67W_go8BmPA . There are a few ways I've thought of for us to post these talks: 1. We publish under a different YouTube channel and that's it 2. We publish under a different YouTube channel and the Apache Iceberg YouTube can curate a new playlist of the videos posted 3. We publish under the Apache Iceberg YouTube channel in a new playlist IMO #3 would be good so we can publish under the same roof and not have community-led videos fractured over multiple accounts. Ryan, Jack, or anyone else with some thoughts on this? - Jonathan On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 7:51 PM Jack Ye <yezhao...@gmail.com> wrote: > Can people share what other projects do? And are there any related ASF > guidelines out there about this? > > -Jack > > -Jack > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2024, 3:57 PM Ryan Blue <b...@databricks.com.invalid> > wrote: > >> I didn't realize that the account was curating playlists. I'm trying to >> draw a parallel with the blog post example. Do we consider playlists links? >> I guess the question is whether it looks official. Would inclusion in a >> playlist be mistaken for an endorsement? Or would we get into unnecessary >> debates over what is appropriate for inclusion in a playlist? >> >> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 3:39 PM Jack Ye <yezhao...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Looking at https://www.youtube.com/@ApacheIceberg/playlists, there are >>> also many other talks and even tutorials, what about those? >>> >>> -Jack >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 2:45 PM Brian Olsen <bitsondata...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Update: I moved the video and playlist to a Private status until this >>>> is discussed. In the meantime, we'll wait to hear some guidance from the >>>> PMC and community to advise. Otherwise, I suggest that Jonathan and Kevin >>>> create an unofficial community Apache Iceberg Meetups channel that follows >>>> the trademark guidelines: https://apache.org/foundation/marks/ but >>>> have asked them to give some time to let others respond. >>>> >>>> Thanks all! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 4:41 PM Brian Olsen <bitsondata...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey Ryan, >>>>> >>>>> I will take that down, apologies for that confusion. I remember having >>>>> some discussion around this before and my recollection was this was more >>>>> of >>>>> a concern about vendor content but after I read your reply I remembered >>>>> this was a more general ASF sentiment. So with that, I still think >>>>> distributing these through various channels would be valuable, while >>>>> exposing them through playlists. For example, we added the Data Council >>>>> talk you gave a while back where the video is hosted on Data Council's >>>>> channel, but we've added it to the "Iceberg Talks Playlist". >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps this would be a matter of having the PMC create some guidance >>>>> on certain playlists like the meetups playlist I just created and then I >>>>> can add videos from other channels that say Kevin and others own to upload >>>>> Iceberg meetups and we can push visibility to certain videos from their >>>>> channels that meet the criteria (like avoiding talks that are pushing a >>>>> particular vendor or product for example). Would this align more with what >>>>> you have in mind to avoid endorsements? >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 3:59 PM Ryan Blue <b...@databricks.com.invalid> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I strongly prefer not posting meetup videos on an official Apache >>>>>> Iceberg channel. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's why we have up until now used the channel only for videos >>>>>> from sanctioned Iceberg events >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/@ApacheIceberg/videos>, like community >>>>>> syncs or the Apache Iceberg Summit. I wasn't aware that Bits posted the >>>>>> last Seattle meetup video. >>>>>> >>>>>> An "official" distribution channel like this (one controlled by the >>>>>> Iceberg PMC) needs to be careful about posting content because it can be >>>>>> seen as an endorsement and there are reasonable objections around posting >>>>>> some videos (for instance, they are strongly biased to a particular >>>>>> solution or vendor). I don't want the PMC to be in the business of >>>>>> deciding >>>>>> what gets to be on the official channel or not -- that's a whole set of >>>>>> arguments that I think we want to steer clear of. This is also the reason >>>>>> why the Iceberg site doesn't host blog posts, by the way. We originally >>>>>> had >>>>>> requests for people to post articles, but I don't think it is wise for >>>>>> the >>>>>> project to decide what opinions can be posted there. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think that we should remove the last meetup video and only post >>>>>> content like the community sync videos. For everything else, I think it >>>>>> is >>>>>> a good idea to have a separate channel. We can link to those channels to >>>>>> make them easy to find, but we don't want to be in the middle when >>>>>> someone >>>>>> has an opinion about what should or should not be posted and should not >>>>>> be >>>>>> seen as endorsing any particular solutions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ryan >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 1:44 PM Jack Ye <yezhao...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> > posting/content management privileges to the Iceberg YouTube >>>>>>> channel for these meetup recordings >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This sounds reasonable to me, when the meetup is recurring. So I am >>>>>>> good with doing this for the Seattle meetup series. We have technically >>>>>>> already done so for Bits for the community sync meeting series. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Jack >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 1:23 PM Jonathan Leang < >>>>>>> leangjonat...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a question related to some questions about shared >>>>>>>> administration of Apache Iceberg social/marketing channels such as >>>>>>>> YouTube >>>>>>>> in this specific instance. Kevin Liu and I have organized the first >>>>>>>> Seattle >>>>>>>> Iceberg meetups and it looks like there will be a steady stream of >>>>>>>> technical talks about things like proposals and more generally recent >>>>>>>> developments in the project. Bits (Brian Olsen) helped us get the most >>>>>>>> recent meetup posted on the Apache Iceberg YouTube channel but we're >>>>>>>> hoping >>>>>>>> not to bother him every month. We're wondering if Kevin and/or I can >>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>> posting/content management privileges to the Iceberg YouTube channel >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> these meetup recordings. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We asked Bits and he replied: >>>>>>>> It would be good to have some trusted people + PMC coordinate the >>>>>>>> social + marketing channels. In many projects I either see nobody >>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>> owning it and it becomes abandoned over time and other times I see it >>>>>>>> primarily run through one or two companies or individuals which doesn't >>>>>>>> scale. It would be great if a small group of trusted volunteers >>>>>>>> comanage >>>>>>>> these marketing channels with similar guidelines on how to coordinate >>>>>>>> when, >>>>>>>> channel "voice", and following standard ASF COC guidelines, etc... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Perhaps Bits and/or a PMC member could take on the responsibility >>>>>>>> of building out the guidance on how to run this without too much >>>>>>>> overlap or >>>>>>>> interference as it scales out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>> Jonathan Leang >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Ryan Blue >>>>>> Databricks >>>>>> >>>>> >> >> -- >> Ryan Blue >> Databricks >> >
