Denis, we need because contributors do not announce their intent/designs/etc manually. It is the best way ever? No, of course.
We have consensus on PR removal, so let's do it and see results. пн, 19 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:11, Denis Mekhanikov <dmekhani...@gmail.com>: > Dmitriy, > > If a person wants to track all new tickets, then he may go to JIRA, create > a filter for Ignite tickets > and subscribe to it. JIRA has a pretty flexible configuration of filters > and subscriptions, so you can > specify exactly what issues you are interested in, and how often you want > to receive these emails. > This is much more convenient and more flexible than filtering emails from a > bot. > > So, most people ignore JIRA messages, and the ones who want to track new > tickets, > may go to JIRA and configure their own filters. I don't see, why we need to > keep the forwarding to dev list. > > Denis > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:30, Павлухин Иван <vololo...@gmail.com>: > > > Hi, > > > > Can we collect opinions about keeping messages of mentioned types on > > dev list? From my side (+ means keeping on dev list): > > TC bot + > > Jira - > > GitHub - > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:25, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpav...@apache.org>: > > > > > > Importance is hardly definable and it is not possible that importance > is > > > equal for everyone. You can say about other human emails it is not > > > important if some product area is not interesting for you. So I can > only > > > understand the terms: email needs action/does not need action. > > > > > > If some contributor never reacted to JIRA notification he or she may > > think > > > it is not important. But even we have a majority of contributors who > > > ignores JIRA, it does not mean it is a right decision to switch it off. > > We > > > don't play in a democracy, hopefully. > > > > > > My suggestion now: keep showing an excellent example of human-human > > > interaction, announces, etc from all Ignite veterans (especially, > PMCs), > > so > > > newcomers can use the same approach. > > > > > > If PRs removal to notifications@ will show a positive tendency in > > > human-human interaction, I can easily agree with the second step. Only > > > practice is truth criteria. > > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:08, Vladimir Ozerov <voze...@gridgain.com>: > > > > > > > We want important emails to be easily observable. This is the only > > goal. > > > > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:51, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpav...@apache.org>: > > > > > > > > > I suggest to think in another paradigm, let's not classify emails > to > > be > > > > > automatically issued or not, lets separate emails to other > classes: a > > > > > needed action from humans or not needed. > > > > > > > > > > If you don't have any interest in a change announced by JIRA issue > > > > created > > > > > email, you can just skip. If you can help with comments, review, > > etc, you > > > > > can become watcher or comment ticket, you can also point to > > duplicate. > > > > > > > > > > In that paradigm, > > > > > A) PR is perfectly ok to be redirected to notifications@ .- PR > > creation > > > > > does not require any action from anyone. > > > > > B) JIRA - I'm not sure (maybe as a second step, if we will see > > > > contributors > > > > > will write about important tickets). And instead we can discuss > Open > > -> > > > > > Patch available transition, as a reviewer needed. > > > > > C) TC Bot - I'm sure - should never be redirected. Hopefully, it > > will not > > > > > generate any alerts. > > > > > > > > > > I hardly understand goal: is our target metric - message count to > be > > as > > > > > less as possible? (extreme - 0 emails, let's not write here at all, > > we > > > > can > > > > > get 0). Who can explain what do we want from redirection? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 16:28, Sergi Vladykin < > > sergi.vlady...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > > > > > I also would like to separate all the automated stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sergi > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:58, Павлухин Иван <vololo...@gmail.com > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oleg, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I join to Dmitriy. I found your summary quite interesting. > > > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:12, Dmitriy Pavlov < > dpav...@apache.org > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oleg, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > excellent research! It allows me to avoid bothering community > > > > > > developers > > > > > > > > once again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your efforts and for contributing to this > > discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 23:14, Denis Magda <dma...@apache.org > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's move git notifications to a separate list. As for > > JIRA, not > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > bothers me, it took me several minutes to set up all the > > filters > > > > to > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > the messages out across specific folders. Otherwise, some > of > > us > > > > > might > > > > > > > > > ignore subscribing to jira-list and would miss > notifications > > when > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > input is needed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 12:03 PM Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not referring to some "authoritative ASF member" as > a > > > > guide > > > > > > for > > > > > > > us. > > > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > > are on our own. What I meant is that at some point in > time > > we > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > pointed > > > > > > > > > > to an idea, that tons of automated messages has nothing > to > > do > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > healthy > > > > > > > > > > community. Which seems pretty reasonable to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:15 PM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > dpav...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What incubator mentor do you refer to? Incubator member > > are > > > > asf > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was involved at least to 3 discussions at the list > > started > > > > > from > > > > > > > Jira > > > > > > > > > > > issue created. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If others were not involved, it do not convince me its > > is not > > > > > > > useful to > > > > > > > > > > > keep forwarding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г., 21:23 Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Apache member do you refer to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:10, Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > dpav...@apache.org > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know what to watch if new tickets are > not > > > > > > forwarded? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, PRs are ok to remove since it is duplicate > to > > > > jira, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > jira > > > > > > > > > > > > removal > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not make any sense for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Com dev folks instead suggest to forward all > > comments and > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > activity > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > github to the list. So if Apache member will > confirm > > it > > > > is > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > useful > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow dev. list watchers see new issues on the list > > we > > > > can > > > > > > > continue > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion. Openness is needed not for veterans but > > for > > > > all > > > > > > > > > community > > > > > > > > > > > > > members and users who is subscribed to the list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г., 21:00 Pavel Tupitsyn < > > > > > > > ptupit...@apache.org>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal emails for _watched_ JIRA tickets are > very > > > > > useful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Emails to everyone are not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 for separate mailing list for all automated > > emails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think we can avoid automated emails > > completely, > > > > > but > > > > > > > dev > > > > > > > > > > list > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be human-only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So separate list is the only way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:11 PM Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Completely agree with Denis. Tons of generated > > > > messages > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > community > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health are not relevant. Currently we obviously > > have > > > > > too > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too little communications. This is bad. But > > whether > > > > we > > > > > > > > > accumulate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff here or in some other place is not > > important at > > > > > > all, > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can point dev-list readers to JIRA channel. And > > as > > > > far > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > generated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this was one of very serious concerns of our > > mentors > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > incubation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase - too many tickets, too little real > > > > > communications. > > > > > > > > > > Splitting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flows will help us understand where we are. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And another very interesting thing is how PMCs > > treat > > > > > all > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they ignore them. When I come with that > problem, > > one > > > > > PMC > > > > > > > > > proposed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - "just filter them like I do". Then I, another > > PMC, > > > > > > > answered - > > > > > > > > > > "I > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know how to filter them". Finally, third PMC, > who > > > > also > > > > > > > filters > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages, helped me create proper filter in > > GMail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it demonstrative enough that so many PMC, > > who > > > > are > > > > > > > > > expected > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand project very well and follow a lot > of > > > > > > > activities, > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > useful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to *remove* JIRA emails from their inboxes in > > order > > > > to > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand what is going on. If Ignite veterans > > do > > > > not > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails useful, then I do not know who else can > > > > benefit > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 7:06 PM Denis > Mekhanikov > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhani...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe Igniters can set up a filter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doesn't mean we should make them do it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do JIRA messages help? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want do discuss something – write to > dev > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want a code review – write to dev > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have an announcement – write to dev > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see, how JIRA messages can replace > any > > of > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > points. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally nobody ever answered a message from > > JIRA > > > > > bot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think, that only watchers of JIRA tickets > > should > > > > be > > > > > > > > > notified > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > updates. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no point in sending messages to > > everyone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:50, Dmitriy Pavlov > < > > > > > > > > > > dpav...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe Igniters can set up a filter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA ticket is an intention to be done by > > > > > > contributors > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If PMC member admits decisions are made off > > the > > > > > list > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact-in-the-past for others - it really > signs > > > > poor > > > > > > > > > community > > > > > > > > > > > > > health. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, it is not reasonable to fight with JIRA > > > > > messages > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasonable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grow a culture of on-list development. If > we > > > > don't > > > > > > > have it, > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remain here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:30, Denis > > Mekhanikov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhani...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we want people to act openly and > > > > > > > community-friendly, > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it a part of the required development > > process. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise people just won't care about > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, all JIRA tickets are open for > > > > everyone, > > > > > > so > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > openness > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > violated if we made a separate mailing > > list for > > > > > > bots. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA tickets are just as easy to search > > > > through, > > > > > as > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > emails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you write anything to the dev list, > then > > > > only > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > once, > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an hour, configuring the email filters > > will see > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Others won't notice it, because it will > get > > > > lost > > > > > > > among > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > flood > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages from bots. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested in receiving the > JIRA > > > > > > > > > notifications, > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subscribe to ignite-bots (or even > > ignite-jira) > > > > > > > mailing > > > > > > > > > > list, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and keep track of what happens there. It > > would > > > > > > > simplify > > > > > > > > > > > > > filtering, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you should only filter out the > > corresponding > > > > > > > recipient. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently if you want to filter out all > > > > messages > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > bots, > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enumerate all possible topics, that bots > > may > > > > > > > generate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since the number of bots only grows > > with > > > > > time, > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > filter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept in actual state, otherwise messages > > will > > > > > spill > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > inbox. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:58, Dmitriy > > Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > dpav...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Denis, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another side of this decision is the > > openness > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > development. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since not all contributors pay > attention > > to > > > > run > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > development > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open/community friendly manner: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - to announce important features, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Telegraph their intent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Draft designs openly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Submit work in chunks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Welcome feedback along the way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://shaneslides.com/apachecon/TheApacheWay-ApacheConNA2018.html#24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we can't just remove JIRA from the > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today JIRA forwarding is an only way to > > keep > > > > > > Ignite > > > > > > > > > > > > development > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow by subscribing to dev. list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we came to practice that all > > contributors > > > > > > > announce > > > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and bugs, JIRA can be removed. Now it > > can't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which problem we can solve by removing > > JIRA > > > > > from > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > list? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:34, Denis > > > > Mekhanikov > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhani...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I vote for moving automatically > > generated > > > > > > > messages > > > > > > > > > to a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list (maybe except most important > > ones). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already wrote about it here: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Bots-on-dev-list-td34406.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we have now makes the Nabble > > portal an > > > > > > > absolute > > > > > > > > > > mess > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ability > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to track human communication. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's even hard to search for old > > > > discussions, > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets and git commit messages pop > in > > the > > > > > > search > > > > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Making every person configure email > > filters > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > waisting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everybody's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just imagine, how many human-hours > has > > been > > > > > > > spent on > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should respect time of others, and > > make > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > separation > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sending side. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:20, Dmitriy > > > > Pavlov > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpav...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO we need to run a formal vote on > > this > > > > > > > change, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > PMC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > create (or reuse) a separate list > for > > > > > > messages > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > Git > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 14 нояб. 2018 г. в 16:08, > > Vladimir > > > > > > Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say that "set the filter" > > is > > > > not > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > First, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always possible technically. E.g. > > I use > > > > > > > GMail and > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already use a rule. I cannot > > extract > > > > > > > generated > > > > > > > > > > emails > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with GMail capabilities. But the > > more > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first place someone needs to went > > > > through > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > generated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nightmare? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Git messages is a spam. Looks > like > > > > > everyone > > > > > > > > > agrees > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA ticket creation - this is > all > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > importance. > > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > writes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > email to the devlist, this is > > likely to > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > > topic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requiring > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attention. 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