Hm, actually this is something we've never seen before. I thing we should definitely reconsider release vote timings as Ilya suggested to collect users feedback for a longer period of time.
чт, 5 мар. 2020 г. в 12:49, Ivan Pavlukhin <[email protected]>: > Wow. I impressed that users try out even RC. > > Best regards, > Ivan Pavlukhin > > чт, 5 мар. 2020 г. в 12:01, Maxim Muzafarov <[email protected]>: > > > > Ivan, > > > > I think `final steps` is mostly related not to binary\sources itself > > but for the announce message. All documentation must be up-to-date > > when it occurs. > > > > But I think you're right that users already using a new version of > > Apache Ignite without announcing. We've got some questions\bugs on > > user-list already [1] [2]. > > > > > > [1] > http://apache-ignite-users.70518.x6.nabble.com/Ignite-2-8-get-exception-while-use-batch-insert-in-streaming-mode-td31614.html > > [2] > http://apache-ignite-users.70518.x6.nabble.com/Zookeeper-discovery-with-Ignite-2-8-0-class-NoClassDefFound-td31615.html > > > > On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 11:51, Ivan Pavlukhin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Maxim, > > > > > > You did the great job! Many thanks for that! > > > > > > I suppose there is some confusion with terminology. I understand that > > > Ignite release process has several final steps. And for example > > > binaries can be published before documentation is ready and it is ok > > > (I suppose opposite will make no harm as well). My personal > > > understanding is that a product version "is considered released" once > > > a user can receive and use it tagged with the target version. In other > > > words, once it is generally available (GA). And we should not force > > > users to check product web sites and other announcement channels to > > > check that a package available in the Maven repository is valid. For > > > someone it might be just "keeping all dependencies up to date". > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Ivan Pavlukhin > > > > > > чт, 5 мар. 2020 г. в 09:33, Maxim Muzafarov <[email protected]>: > > > > > > > > Ivan, > > > > > > > > I did something wrong? > > > > What should I do to release all effectively? > > > > > > > > On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 08:23, Denis Magda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ivan, > > > > > > > > > > The release of binaries is one of the final steps. There are still > several > > > > > steps left before we can consider all the 2.8 release activities > completed: > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/IGNITE/Release+Process#ReleaseProcess-6.3.4.Releasedocumentaiononreadme.io > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/IGNITE/Release+Process#ReleaseProcess-6.4.Announcerelease > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 7:57 PM Ivan Pavlukhin <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Denis, folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > As it was already mentioned 2.8 is already in maven [1]. > Consequently > > > > > > "effectively" released. In my opinion it is not correct to > consider > > > > > > release in progress. > > > > > > > > > > > > Agree that 2.8.1 sounds as a proper option here. > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.ignite/ignite-core/2.8.0 > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Ivan Pavlukhin > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 4 мар. 2020 г. в 17:08, Denis Magda <[email protected]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignite 2.8 will be announced as soon as the documentation is > prepared and > > > > > > > released. Until then, the release is still considered under > progress. > > > > > > Here > > > > > > > is a dedicated discussion for documentation activities. We > should be > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > soon: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Ignite-2-8-documentation-td46008.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I've started a discussion related to our announcement > steps. Please > > > > > > > check it out and get involved: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Ignite-2-8-announcement-plan-td46238.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 6:29 AM Dmitriy Pavlov < > [email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/ignite/2.8.0/ > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > already there, so release was happened. I'm not sure it is a > good idea > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > substitute binaries later. Was it announced to announce@ ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO, 2.8.1 is ok for that case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 4 мар. 2020 г. в 11:29, Nikolay Izhikov < > [email protected]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavel, ++1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4 марта 2020 г., в 11:20, Pavel Tupitsyn < > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > > написал(а): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The release has already happened. > > > > > > > > > > It is on our website [1], it is on Maven [2]. > > > > > > > > > > People are using it, so I don't think we can do anything > at this > > > > > > point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bugs happen, we can't delay the release forever because > of them. > > > > > > Let's > > > > > > > > > fix > > > > > > > > > > things in 2.8.1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://ignite.apache.org/download.cgi > > > > > > > > > > [2] https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.apache.ignite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 10:06 AM Nikolay Izhikov < > > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hello, Igniters. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Do we have a person who can fix this issue in the > nearest time? > > > > > > > > > >> Right now IGNITE-12746 is Open and Unassigned. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> 3 марта 2020 г., в 23:54, Denis Magda < > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > написал(а): > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> Ilya, > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> Thanks for catching that and sharing. I wonder if > there are any > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > >>> blockers that were pushed to 2.8.x version. If there > are a few > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > >> can > > > > > > > > > >>> produce 2.8.1 shortly, otherwise, it sounds reasonable > to me to > > > > > > fix > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >>> issue with putAll, update the binaries and finish the > process. > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> - > > > > > > > > > >>> Denis > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 2:34 PM Ilya Kasnacheev < > > > > > > > > > >> [email protected]> > > > > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Hello! > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> I have filed an issue > > > > > > > > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-12746 > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> I think this is potentially a game breaker and makes > me > > > > > > recommend > > > > > > > > > >> avoiding > > > > > > > > > >>>> 2.8, if we release it without fix (for now). > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> If you are using any partitioned caches, anyway. > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> So I suggest we withhold 2.8. > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Regards, > > > > > > > > > >>>> -- > > > > > > > > > >>>> Ilya Kasnacheev > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> вт, 3 мар. 2020 г. в 20:53, Maxim Muzafarov < > [email protected] > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Ilya, > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> I do not want to force the release no matter what > happens, but > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > >>>>> we should release what we have to get feedback not > just from > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >>>>> developer community but from our users too. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> And fix all these issues in 2.8.1. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 at 20:33, Ilya Kasnacheev < > > > > > > > > > >> [email protected]> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Hello! > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Can we please hold back publishing AI-2.8.0-rc1 as > public > > > > > > Apache > > > > > > > > > >> Ignite > > > > > > > > > >>>>> 2.8 > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> release? > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> I have just been notified that > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > org.apache.ignite.internal.processors.cache.distributed.dht.GridCacheColocatedDebugTest#testPutsMultithreadedColocated > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > org.apache.ignite.internal.processors.cache.distributed.dht.GridCacheColocatedDebugTest#testPutsMultithreadedMixed > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> are flaky: they seem to deadlock on putAll sorted > keys maps. > > > > > > They > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > >>>> to > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> pass solidly on 2.7, but fail on master and > ignite-2.8. > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> (They fail around 1 time out of 10, so just run > them 25 times > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > >> check) > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> If there is indeed a deadlock, this would become a > blocker to > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > >>>>> release, > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> in my opinion, but I need some time to check. > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Regards, > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> -- > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> Ilya Kasnacheev > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> вс, 1 мар. 2020 г. в 11:29, Maxim Muzafarov < > > > > > > [email protected]>: > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> Ivan, > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> I agree with you that the more members will check > the > > > > > > release the > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> better will be. That's why I've shared the release > candidate > > > > > > > > links > > > > > > > > > >>>> [1] > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> before starting a vote. The best time for starting > a vote is > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> mentioned at our release wiki page [2] (should > we?) and I've > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> failed with googling the best practices for it > too. So, I've > > > > > > > > > supposed > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> since all of us are working on their own tasks > during > > > > > > weekdays > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> free time on the weekend is the best choice for > > > > > > cheking\voting on > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> release. Probably this decision was wrong. > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> [1] > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-8-RELEASE-Time-Scope-Manager-tp43616p46117.html > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> [2] > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/IGNITE/Release+Process > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 at 00:37, Ivan Pavlukhin < > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Also I have a comment regarding to voting. Voting > for 72 > > > > > > hour > > > > > > > > > >>>>> spanning > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> a weekend sounds a little bit odd to me. In a > particular > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >>>>> more > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> people check the release the better. And I > suppose there is > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > >>>> time > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> for it on weekdays for the majority. > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Best regards, > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Ivan Pavlukhin > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> вс, 1 мар. 2020 г. в 00:33, Ivan Pavlukhin < > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> As I remember, that Pavlov suggested to discuss > threats > > > > > > on a > > > > > > > > > >>>>> private > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> PMC list > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Cannot understand why it should be discussed on > a private > > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > >>>>> What > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> is the clue? > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Best regards, > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Ivan Pavlukhin > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>> сб, 29 февр. 2020 г. в 16:00, Alexey Zinoviev < > > > > > > > > > >>>>> [email protected] > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>> : > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> As I remember, that Pavlov suggested to discuss > threats > > > > > > on a > > > > > > > > > >>>>> private > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> PMC > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> list > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> сб, 29 февр. 2020 г., 15:12 Ilya Kasnacheev < > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> [email protected]>: > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Hello! > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> As far as my understanding goes, > ignite-zookeeper is > > > > > > listed > > > > > > > > > >>>> for > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> removal > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> because it brings a lot of dependencies, some > of which > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > >>>> have > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> known > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> vulnerabilities, which will make the > distribution also > > > > > > > > > >>>>> considered > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> vulnerable by some scanners. > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Ilya Kasnacheev > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> сб, 29 февр. 2020 г. в 14:18, Alexey Zinoviev < > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> [email protected]>: > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, lets move to this thread. Also, the slim > release > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > >>>> be > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> form by > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> voting on user-list > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> сб, 29 февр. 2020 г., 9:55 Alexey Goncharuk < > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> [email protected] > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> : > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nikolay, Alexey, > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> First, the idea of the slim binary release > and docker > > > > > > > > > >>>>> image was > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> discussed > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> openly on the dev-list [1]. Second, nobody > talks about > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> removing these > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> modules from the product. The idea was to > create an > > > > > > > > > >>>>> additional > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> distribution > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> which is much lighter than the current full > package to > > > > > > > > > >>>>> reduce > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> the size > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the downloadable artifact and reduce the > number of > > > > > > > > > >>>>> potential > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> vulnerabilities in third-party libraries. > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of modules was chosen subjectively > by the > > > > > > number > > > > > > > > > >>>>> of > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> questions > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> on > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the user-list, number third-party libraries > (size) and > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> vulnerabilities > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> module brings. Given that there are still > questions, we > > > > > > > > > >>>> are > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> definitely > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> not > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ready to release it in 2.8.0. > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's move discussion to the original thread? > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Slim-binary-release-and-docker-image-for-Apache-Ignite-td45110.html > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
