Anton,

Does it mean that the PME is skipped only for cases when the native
persistence is used and a failed node was in the baseline topology? How
about pure in-memory clusters and clusters with CacheStore?

-
Denis


On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 12:40 AM Anton Vinogradov <a...@apache.org> wrote:

> Denis,
>
> >> the blocking PME no longer happens if a node leaves the cluster
> We should mention this should be the baseline node
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:40 AM Denis Magda <dma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Pavel, thank you. I referred to your article from a blog post to be
> > published on blogs.apache.org. Please feel free to share feedback before
> > it's published. You can use the comment feature of Google Docs:
> >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ssTC1Jf_reqZFWgl4ayhaohiAJCpzdL4tPrHTxvfvAM/edit?usp=sharing
> >
> >
> > @Alexey Zinoviev <zaleslaw....@gmail.com> , @Andrey Gura
> > <ag...@apache.org> , @Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>, @Anton
> > Vinogradov <a...@apache.org>  could you glance at the paragraphs
> mentioning
> > the improvements you contributed to the release? I just want to be sure
> my
> > understanding is correct.
> >
> > -
> > Denis
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 3:54 AM Pavel Tupitsyn <ptupit...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Published: https://ptupitsyn.github.io/Whats-New-In-Ignite-Net-2.8/
> >>
> >> On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 1:49 AM Pavel Tupitsyn <ptupit...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Denis, ok, I'll publish on Monday afternoon then (UTC), weekend is not
> >> the
> >> > best time.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Pavel
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 1:25 AM Denis Magda <dma...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Pavel,
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for clarifying the way partition-awareness handles topology
> >> >> changes.
> >> >>
> >> >> Please publish your article as soon as you're ready. I plan to finish
> >> mine
> >> >> on Monday-Tuesday and will refer to yours.
> >> >>
> >> >> -
> >> >> Denis
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:36 AM Pavel Tupitsyn <ptupit...@apache.org>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Denis, thanks for the feedback!
> >> >> > When should I publish the post? Right after official release
> >> >> announcement,
> >> >> > or later?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > I would use "thick client" as a term instead of the "classic
> >> client"
> >> >> > Good point, fixed
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > partition-awareness doesn't handle topology changes automatically
> >> >> > (partition map won't be updated on the client-side)
> >> >> > This is not true, we keep the partition map up to date by checking
> >> >> > AffinityTopologyVersion [1]
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > Now I can run Ignite.NET easily on my Mac OS machine
> >> >> > Just to clarify, you can do that since 2.4 release [2].
> >> >> > In 2.8 we have refined build-related things (jar file handling),
> and
> >> >> made
> >> >> > sure that recent .NET versions are supported.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > [1]
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/IGNITE/IEP-23%3A+Best+Effort+Affinity+for+thin+clients
> >> >> > [2] https://habr.com/ru/company/gridgain/blog/347374/ (in Russian)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 2:40 AM Denis Magda <dma...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > Pavel, thanks,
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I enjoyed reading the blog, crystal clear and straight to the
> >> point!
> >> >> > Please
> >> >> > > consider these several items that might strengthen the article a
> >> bit:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >    - I would use "thick client" as a term instead of the "classic
> >> >> client"
> >> >> > >    (and mention that Ignite.NET client is a thick one). The thick
> >> >> client
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > >    already a coined term that based on my observations are used a
> >> lot
> >> >> by
> >> >> > > dev
> >> >> > >    and user communities. Also, you might add some differences of
> >> thick
> >> >> > vs.
> >> >> > >    thin taking from this page -
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
> https://www.gridgain.com/docs/latest/installation-guide/deployment-modes#thick-vs-thin-clients
> >> >> > >    - Should we mention that presently partition-awareness doesn't
> >> >> handle
> >> >> > >    topology changes automatically (partition map won't be updated
> >> on
> >> >> the
> >> >> > >    client-side)? This might be a blocker for some users.
> >> >> > >    - Excited to read about the cross-platform support, that's
> huge!
> >> >> Now I
> >> >> > >    can run Ignite.NET easily on my Mac OS machine. I would
> insert a
> >> >> > > reference
> >> >> > >    to updated documentation pages that explain how to start with
> >> >> > > Ignite.NET on
> >> >> > >    various platforms.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Hope, you will find this helpful, thanks for helping with project
> >> >> > > promotion!
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > -
> >> >> > > Denis
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 7:32 AM Pavel Tupitsyn <
> >> ptupit...@apache.org>
> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > Denis,
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > The first post is going to be ready soon, probably by tomorrow.
> >> >> > > > Here is a draft, feedback welcome:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >>
> https://github.com/ptupitsyn/ptupitsyn.github.io/blob/ignite-2.8/_posts/2020-03-05-Whats-New-In-Ignite-Net-2.8.md
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 5:15 PM Denis Magda <dma...@apache.org>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > > Hi Pavel,
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > Excellent! It will be good to publish the first article
> (what's
> >> >> new
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > > > > Ignite.NET 2.8) prior to a generic blog on blogs.apache.org
> so
> >> >> that
> >> >> > we
> >> >> > > > can
> >> >> > > > > link your post in for those who are looking for more details.
> >> Do
> >> >> you
> >> >> > > have
> >> >> > > > > any timeline in mind for this article?
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > @Alexey Zinoviev <zaleslaw....@gmail.com>, how about you
> >> >> preparing
> >> >> > > > several
> >> >> > > > > paragraphs for the blog highlighting the biggest changes in
> ML?
> >> >> The
> >> >> > > same
> >> >> > > > > highlighted content will be elaborated during the webinar.
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > -
> >> >> > > > > Denis
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 2:29 AM Pavel Tupitsyn <
> >> >> ptupit...@apache.org>
> >> >> > > > > wrote:
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > Denis, I have a few blog posts on Ignite.NET planned:
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > * What's new in Ignite.NET 2.8 (Thin Client Partition
> >> Awareness,
> >> >> > > > logging,
> >> >> > > > > > expiry policy, cluster API, .NET Core 3.x, Dockerfile)
> >> >> > > > > > * Ignite.NET performance improvements on .NET Core 3.x
> >> >> > > > > > * Ignite.NET Partition Awareness performance
> >> >> > > > > > * Fixing JNI thread leak in Ignite.NET
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > What do you think? Should we have a schedule of some sorts?
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 9:58 PM Alexey Zinoviev <
> >> >> > > zaleslaw....@gmail.com
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > wrote:
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > Sounds ineresting, will help with the post, please share
> >> the
> >> >> > > > template,
> >> >> > > > > > not
> >> >> > > > > > > sure about webinar
> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > вт, 3 мар. 2020 г., 20:59 Denis Magda <dma...@apache.org
> >:
> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > > Igniters,
> >> >> > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > > Let's discuss approaches for a global
> >> >> announcement/promotion of
> >> >> > > the
> >> >> > > > > > > > release. I would suggest focusing on a blog post and a
> >> >> > community
> >> >> > > > > > webinar.
> >> >> > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > > The blog post will introduce significant improvements
> >> >> (service
> >> >> > > > grid,
> >> >> > > > > > thin
> >> >> > > > > > > > clients, new metrics system, ML, etc.) sharing
> >> references to
> >> >> > > > > > > documentation
> >> >> > > > > > > > pages with more details.  It will be published on
> >> >> > > blogs.apache.org
> >> >> > > > > in
> >> >> > > > > > a
> >> >> > > > > > > > format similar to this one -
> >> >> > > > > > > >
> >> >> https://blogs.apache.org/ignite/entry/apache-ignite-2-7-deep.
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > > > can
> >> >> > > > > > work
> >> >> > > > > > > > on
> >> >> > > > > > > > it unless anybody else is willing to share the news on
> >> >> behalf
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > > > the
> >> >> > > > > > > > community.
> >> >> > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > > Next, the blog post will be featuring a community
> webinar
> >> >> that
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > > > > > > breaking
> >> >> > > > > > > > down a subset of the improvements in more detail.
> Please
> >> >> see an
> >> >> > > > > > abstract
> >> >> > > > > > > > below with suggested topics for a detailed overview.
> >> @Alexey
> >> >> > > > Zinoviev
> >> >> > > > > > > > <zaleslaw....@gmail.com>, would you be able to present
> >> the
> >> >> ML
> >> >> > > > part?
> >> >> > > > > > > > @Nikolay
> >> >> > > > > > > > Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org> or @Andrey Gura <
> >> >> > > ag...@gridgain.com>
> >> >> > > > > > would
> >> >> > > > > > > > you like to take over the metrics section? I'll work
> the
> >> >> > > attendees
> >> >> > > > > > > through
> >> >> > > > > > > > the items listed in "Sustainable production under high
> >> >> load".
> >> >> > We
> >> >> > > > > should
> >> >> > > > > > > > target the webinar for the April timeframe.
> >> >> > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > > *Topmost changes in Apache Ignite 2.8 for production
> >> >> > maintenance
> >> >> > > > and
> >> >> > > > > > > > machine learning*
> >> >> > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > > *Apache Ignite community rolled out more than 1900
> >> changes
> >> >> in
> >> >> > > > Ignite
> >> >> > > > > > 2.8
> >> >> > > > > > > > that enhanced almost all the components of the
> platform.
> >> The
> >> >> > > > release
> >> >> > > > > > > notes
> >> >> > > > > > > > go with hundreds of lines trying to catalog the
> >> >> improvements.
> >> >> > > Join
> >> >> > > > > this
> >> >> > > > > > > > webinar led by Ignite community members demonstrating
> and
> >> >> > > > dissecting
> >> >> > > > > > new
> >> >> > > > > > > > capabilities related to production maintenance,
> >> monitoring,
> >> >> and
> >> >> > > > > machine
> >> >> > > > > > > > learning that you do not want to lose sight of:*
> >> >> > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > >    - *Sustainable production under high load: Ignite
> >> >> > persistence
> >> >> > > > > > > compaction
> >> >> > > > > > > >    and consistent crash recovery, baseline topology
> >> >> > > > auto-adjustment,
> >> >> > > > > no
> >> >> > > > > > > >    interruption of operations for some cluster topology
> >> >> change
> >> >> > > > > events.*
> >> >> > > > > > > >    - *Next-generation system for monitoring and code
> >> >> tracing:
> >> >> > > > design
> >> >> > > > > > and
> >> >> > > > > > > >    usage, exporters configuration (JMX, SQL,
> OpenCensus)
> >> *
> >> >> > > > > > > >    - *Ignite Machine Learning major upgrade: a revised
> >> >> approach
> >> >> > > for
> >> >> > > > > > > models
> >> >> > > > > > > >    training/evaluation, models importing from Spark ML,
> >> >> XGBoost
> >> >> > > and
> >> >> > > > > > much
> >> >> > > > > > > > more
> >> >> > > > > > > >      *
> >> >> > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > > -
> >> >> > > > > > > > Denis
> >> >> > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

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