thanks Chris, it looks good to me. Shall we take it to the Incubator list ?
Il giorno ven 7 set 2018 alle ore 00:06 Chris Mattmann <mattm...@apache.org> ha scritto: > OK, I think Tommaso would make a great chair. Here’s a revised resolution: > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best > > interests of the Foundation and consistent with the > > Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management > > Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of > > open-source software, for distribution at no charge to > > the public, related to statistical and other forms of machine > > translation. > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management > > Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Joshua Project", > > be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the > > Foundation; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Joshua Project be and hereby is > > responsible for the creation and maintenance of software > > related to statistical and other forms of machine translation; > > and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Joshua" be > > and hereby is created, the person holding such office to > > serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair > > of the Apache Joshua Project, and to have primary responsibility > > for management of the projects within the scope of > > responsibility of the Apache Joshua Project; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and > > hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the > > Apache Joshua Project: > > > > * Tom Barber <magicaltr...@apache.org> > > * Thamme Gowda <thammego...@apache.org> > > * Felix Hieber <fhie...@apache.org> > > * Lewis John McGibbney <lewi...@apache.org> > > * Chris Mattmann <mattm...@apache.org> > > * Matt Post <mjp...@apache.org> > > * Paul Ramirez <prami...@apache.org> > > * Henry Saputra <hsapu...@apache.org> > > * Kellen Sunderland <kel...@apache.org> > > * Tommaso Teofili <tomm...@apache.org> > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Tommaso Teofili > > be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Joshua to > > serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the > > Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until > > death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, > > or until a successor is appointed; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Joshua PMC be and hereby is > > tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to > > encourage open development and increased participation in the > > Apache Joshua Project; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Joshua Project be and hereby > > is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache > > Incubator Joshua podling; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache > > Incubator Joshua podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator > > Project are hereafter discharged. > > > > > > > > > > From: Tommaso Teofili <tommaso.teof...@gmail.com> > Reply-To: "dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org" < > dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org> > Date: Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 2:37 PM > To: "dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org" <dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation (was Re: Path to TLP) > > > > that would be fine for me, unless anyone else is willing to take over. > > > > Regards, > > Tommaso > > > > Il giorno gio 6 set 2018 alle ore 17:56 Chris Mattmann < > mattm...@apache.org> > > ha scritto: > > > > Matt, > > > > > > > > Thanks for following up here. I understand. > > > > > > > > Tommaso, would you be interested in being the chair of the project? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Matt Post <p...@cs.jhu.edu> > > Reply-To: "dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org" < > > dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org> > > Date: Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 8:41 AM > > To: "dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org" <dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org> > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation (was Re: Path to TLP) > > > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > > > It is fine with me if you want to move to graduation, but at this point I > > will assert that I don't have the time to contribute, and do not wish to be > > involved as a committee member once that threshold is crossed. It has been > > a good run and I have only fond associations with the project, but it is > > time for me to move on, and I wish you all the best. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 6, 2018, at 11:36 AM, Chris Mattmann <mattm...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > Coming back to this. > > > > Sorry it took so long :/ > > > > Here is a proposed graduation template. I will call for a VOTE on it > > > > by mid-next week once the discussion comes to consensus. > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best > > > > interests of the Foundation and consistent with the > > > > Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management > > > > Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of > > > > open-source software, for distribution at no charge to > > > > the public, related to statistical and other forms of machine > > > > translation. > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management > > > > Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Joshua Project", > > > > be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the > > > > Foundation; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Joshua Project be and hereby is > > > > responsible for the creation and maintenance of software > > > > related to statistical and other forms of machine translation; > > > > and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Joshua" be > > > > and hereby is created, the person holding such office to > > > > serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair > > > > of the Apache Joshua Project, and to have primary responsibility > > > > for management of the projects within the scope of > > > > responsibility of the Apache Joshua Project; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and > > > > hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the > > > > Apache Joshua Project: > > > > * Tom Barber <magicaltr...@apache.org> > > > > * Thamme Gowda <thammego...@apache.org> > > > > * Felix Hieber <fhie...@apache.org> > > > > * Lewis John McGibbney <lewi...@apache.org> > > > > * Chris Mattmann <mattm...@apache.org> > > > > * Matt Post <mjp...@apache.org> > > > > * Paul Ramirez <prami...@apache.org> > > > > * Henry Saputra <hsapu...@apache.org> > > > > * Kellen Sunderland <kel...@apache.org> > > > > * Tommaso Teofili <tomm...@apache.org> > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Matt Post > > > > be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Joshua to > > > > serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the > > > > Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until > > > > death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, > > > > or until a successor is appointed; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Joshua PMC be and hereby is > > > > tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to > > > > encourage open development and increased participation in the > > > > Apache Joshua Project; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Joshua Project be and hereby > > > > is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache > > > > Incubator Joshua podling; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache > > > > Incubator Joshua podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator > > > > Project are hereafter discharged. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Chris > > > > From: Thamme Gowda <tgow...@gmail.com> > > > > Reply-To: "dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org" < > > dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org> > > > > Date: Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 7:51 PM > > > > To: "dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org" <dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org> > > > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation (was Re: Path to TLP) > > > > Great news! > > > > 2018-02-01 19:48 GMT-08:00 Mattmann, Chris A (1761) < > > > > chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>: > > > > +1 I’ll draft the resolution and send shortly for community vote > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Feb 1, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Tom Barber <t...@spicule.co.uk> wrote: > > > > I'd just like to dig this one back. Seeing how Matt accepted the > > > > proposal and there is action from Tommaso and Lewis to get stuff merged, > > > > it seems like there is general consensus to get Joshua out of the > > incubator. > > > > Tom > > > > On 06/10/17 06:03, Matt Post wrote: > > > > Thanks Tommaso. Though, I should say, initial thanks goes to Zhifei Li. > > > > I just took it over. > > > > I think I can stick around in the capacity Chris suggests. Thanks, all. > > > > matt > > > > On Sep 27, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Tommaso Teofili < > > > > tommaso.teof...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > +1 to Chris's proposal. > > > > Let me also add my thanks to you Matt for making Joshua happen in first > > > > place and for bringing it to the ASF and involving me and the rest of > > > > the > > > > team in such an interesting piece of sw and to machine translation in > > > > general. I do understand the need for you to move into the NMT stuff > > > > but at > > > > the same time I think Joshua is a very good resource (given also the so > > > > many language packs available) for people and / or projects that want > > > > to > > > > start with MT having reasonably good results so I can still see its > > > > value. > > > > My 2 cents, > > > > Tommaso > > > > Il giorno mar 26 set 2017 alle ore 18:57 Chris Mattmann < > > > > mattm...@apache.org> > > > > ha scritto: > > > > Thanks Matt. My feeling is that if you are willing to make you the > > > > chair > > > > of the project, > > > > which is really an administrative role if you are willing and > > > > willingness > > > > to submit a board > > > > report once monthly, and then quarterly after 3 months. This is to > > > > recognize your contributions > > > > and merit to the project, which will never expire. Even if you are not > > > > actively developing, I think > > > > you would make a great chair. > > > > Apache Joshua works, has a release, and has a good community around > > > > it of > > > > people like Lewis, > > > > Tommaso, and others that I think it would withstand even your > > > > development > > > > departure. It could > > > > also make a good academic/learning tool and could be something we > > > > could > > > > focus on getting new > > > > GSOC projects to add in the NeuralMT stuff. > > > > If you are OK with that I think we should proceed. Let me know and > > > > thanks. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Chris > > > > On 9/25/17, 11:24 PM, "Matt Post" <p...@cs.jhu.edu> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I think now is as good time a time as any to mention my feelings > > > > about > > > > Joshua. You may have noticed that I haven't done much active > > > > development > > > > over the past year; you likely also know that the reason is that the > > > > research community has shifted entirely from work on statistical > > > > models to > > > > work on neural machine translation. On the research side, neural > > > > models now > > > > consistently outperform phrase-based systems on BLEU score on language > > > > pairs where there is enough data (roughly, around 15 million words of > > > > training), and work there has injected a lot of new life into a field > > > > that > > > > many had felt was starting to stagnate. From a production standpoint, > > > > neural systems are also a big win: the models do best with a GPU and > > > > take > > > > some time to train, but the architecture and pipeline are simpler, > > > > and the > > > > resulting models are constant-sized and on the order of a few > > > > gigabytes at > > > > most, instead of scaling with training data into the tens of > > > > gigabytes, as > > > > statistical systems do. Test-time inference can also be run fairly > > > > efficiently on CPUs where throughput demands are low enough. All > > > > commercial > > > > systems are now neural or are quickly moving in that direction, > > > > including > > > > relatively surprising places like Systran, which until recently was > > > > known > > > > as the world's best-known rule-based system. As GPUs become more > > > > ubiquitous > > > > and cheap, this situation is only going to get better, even for the > > > > end > > > > user. There is little doubt that neural MT has supplanted statistical > > > > approaches to machine translation, across both academic research and > > > > industry. And it is still in its relative infancy, with lots of > > > > interesting > > > > research problems and engineering issues to investigate and resolve. > > > > It's somewhat sad for me because I've been working on or with > > > > Joshua > > > > for almost seven years, but I also find my feelings here interesting > > > > in > > > > contrast to a previous time I've felt tugged away from Joshua. As > > > > many of > > > > you know, Philipp Koehn joined JHU a few years ago, which brought some > > > > tension to JHU with respect to collaborating on research. There was > > > > pressure for me to switch. Moses had a much bigger development > > > > community > > > > and was much more feature rich, but despite this, I was reluctant to > > > > let go > > > > of Joshua, for a number of reasons. Java is nicer to work with than > > > > C++ > > > > (and not really that much slower); our code is better written, IMO; > > > > jar > > > > files are easier to distribute than C++ in compiled or source form; > > > > and, of > > > > course, I had much more familiarity with the codebase, not to mention > > > > something of a personal stake in Joshua. But with neural MT, I have > > > > none of > > > > these reservations. It's nice for one to have the Moses/Joshua tension > > > > resolved (sometimes, ignoring a problem does make it go away!), but > > > > for all > > > > the reasons I listed in the opening paragraph, NMT is now the clear > > > > way to > > > > go. And the bottom line for me is that I can no longer justify > > > > spending > > > > time on Joshua during my working hours, and with a young family and > > > > other > > > > interests that I want to pursue, I don't have time for it outside of > > > > work. > > > > I am happy to still linger on the project, but am unlikely to be much > > > > of an > > > > active participant unless I'm explicitly asked for something. > > > > As I've written before here, I think there may still some role for > > > > statistical systems, and therefore, for Joshua. In low-resource > > > > situations, > > > > StatMT may still be the right approach overall, or even simply the > > > > best way > > > > to quickly build up a working system. There is some promise I think in > > > > deploying models easily on older hardware that people have, and > > > > perhaps > > > > getting people to hep contribute translations and translation > > > > memories that > > > > could be used to build and improve systems. There are surely more good > > > > ideas in this space in the vein of providing a good tool to users. > > > > It's been a great experience for me working with the Apache > > > > community > > > > on Joshua. I am grateful to Chris for convincing us to make Joshua an > > > > Apache incubator project, which put a lot of new life into the > > > > project. > > > > Lewis has been a lot of help throughout helping smooth over the > > > > transition; > > > > Tommaso has repeatedly helped with tasks large and small; and that is > > > > just > > > > three of you. It's too bad therefore that the timing just didn't work > > > > out, > > > > but neural MT ascended very rapidly. I know there are other members > > > > here > > > > who are also thinking along these lines. At the same time, I hope my > > > > departure from active development doesn’t mean the end of the project > > > > for > > > > those of you who wish to keep working on it. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > matt > > > > Le 25 sept. 2017 à 23:10, Tommaso Teofili <tommaso.teof...@gmail.com > > > > a écrit : > > > > I would also think we're ready for graduation. > > > > My only concern relates to how many of the current committers are > > > > willing > > > > to keep contributing to the project, basically if we have a PMC > > > > which is > > > > big enough for the graduation. > > > > Regards, > > > > Tommaso > > > > Il giorno sab 23 set 2017 alle ore 01:21 Chris Mattmann < > > > > mattm...@apache.org> > > > > ha scritto: > > > > Tom, glad you raised this issue, IMO, Joshua is ready for TLP. > > > > We’ve: > > > > 1. Added new PPMC/committers > > > > 2. Made a release > > > > 3. Been friendly and cordial and welcoming on the lists > > > > 4. Vetted the software > > > > 5. Have some decent, emerging docs > > > > Graduation time…Thoughts? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Chris > > > > P.S. Subject line change to officially turn this into a [DISCUSS] > > > > and > > > > hopefully > > > > a [VOTE] > > > > On 9/22/17, 4:19 PM, "Tom Barber" <t...@spicule.co.uk> wrote: > > > > So I've not checked against the checklist on the podling page > > > > yet, but > > > > what > > > > do people feel is missing from Joshua prior to graduation? > > > > I'd like to see some non mentors ship a release so we know we've > > > > got > > > > the > > > > docs right, but of course it doesn't have to be a major release. > > > > Similarly > > > > was all the licensing stuff resolved etc? > > > > I'm curious as its not a very fast paced project and it feels > > > > like ones > > > > like Joshua could sit in the incubator for years without causing > > > > much > > > > trouble but also not graduating. 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