Hi folks, It is fine with me if you want to move to graduation, but at this point I will assert that I don't have the time to contribute, and do not wish to be involved as a committee member once that threshold is crossed. It has been a good run and I have only fond associations with the project, but it is time for me to move on, and I wish you all the best.
Sincerely, Matt > On Sep 6, 2018, at 11:36 AM, Chris Mattmann <mattm...@apache.org> wrote: > > Coming back to this. > > > > Sorry it took so long :/ > > > > Here is a proposed graduation template. I will call for a VOTE on it > by mid-next week once the discussion comes to consensus. > > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best > > interests of the Foundation and consistent with the > > Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management > > Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of > > open-source software, for distribution at no charge to > > the public, related to statistical and other forms of machine > translation. > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management > > Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Joshua Project", > > be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the > > Foundation; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Joshua Project be and hereby is > > responsible for the creation and maintenance of software > > related to statistical and other forms of machine translation; > > and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Joshua" be > > and hereby is created, the person holding such office to > > serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair > > of the Apache Joshua Project, and to have primary responsibility > > for management of the projects within the scope of > > responsibility of the Apache Joshua Project; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and > > hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the > > Apache Joshua Project: > > > > * Tom Barber <magicaltr...@apache.org> > > * Thamme Gowda <thammego...@apache.org> > > * Felix Hieber <fhie...@apache.org> > > * Lewis John McGibbney <lewi...@apache.org> > > * Chris Mattmann <mattm...@apache.org> > > * Matt Post <mjp...@apache.org> > > * Paul Ramirez <prami...@apache.org> > > * Henry Saputra <hsapu...@apache.org> > > * Kellen Sunderland <kel...@apache.org> > > * Tommaso Teofili <tomm...@apache.org> > > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Matt Post > > be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Joshua to > > serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the > > Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until > > death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, > > or until a successor is appointed; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Joshua PMC be and hereby is > > tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to > > encourage open development and increased participation in the > > Apache Joshua Project; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache Joshua Project be and hereby > > is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache > > Incubator Joshua podling; and be it further > > > > RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache > > Incubator Joshua podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator > > Project are hereafter discharged. > > > > Cheers, > > Chris > > > > > > > > From: Thamme Gowda <tgow...@gmail.com> > Reply-To: "dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org" <dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org> > Date: Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 7:51 PM > To: "dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org" <dev@joshua.incubator.apache.org> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation (was Re: Path to TLP) > > > > Great news! > > > > 2018-02-01 19:48 GMT-08:00 Mattmann, Chris A (1761) < > > chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>: > > > > +1 I’ll draft the resolution and send shortly for community vote > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Feb 1, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Tom Barber <t...@spicule.co.uk> wrote: > >> > >> I'd just like to dig this one back. Seeing how Matt accepted the > > proposal and there is action from Tommaso and Lewis to get stuff merged, > > it seems like there is general consensus to get Joshua out of the incubator. > >> > >> Tom > >> > >>> On 06/10/17 06:03, Matt Post wrote: > >>> Thanks Tommaso. Though, I should say, initial thanks goes to Zhifei Li. > > I just took it over. > >>> > >>> I think I can stick around in the capacity Chris suggests. Thanks, all. > >>> > >>> matt > >>> > >>>> On Sep 27, 2017, at 9:20 AM, Tommaso Teofili < > > tommaso.teof...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> +1 to Chris's proposal. > >>>> > >>>> Let me also add my thanks to you Matt for making Joshua happen in first > >>>> place and for bringing it to the ASF and involving me and the rest of > > the > >>>> team in such an interesting piece of sw and to machine translation in > >>>> general. I do understand the need for you to move into the NMT stuff > > but at > >>>> the same time I think Joshua is a very good resource (given also the so > >>>> many language packs available) for people and / or projects that want > > to > >>>> start with MT having reasonably good results so I can still see its > > value. > >>>> > >>>> My 2 cents, > >>>> Tommaso > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Il giorno mar 26 set 2017 alle ore 18:57 Chris Mattmann < > > mattm...@apache.org> > >>>> ha scritto: > >>>> > >>>>> Thanks Matt. My feeling is that if you are willing to make you the > > chair > >>>>> of the project, > >>>>> which is really an administrative role if you are willing and > > willingness > >>>>> to submit a board > >>>>> report once monthly, and then quarterly after 3 months. This is to > >>>>> recognize your contributions > >>>>> and merit to the project, which will never expire. Even if you are not > >>>>> actively developing, I think > >>>>> you would make a great chair. > >>>>> > >>>>> Apache Joshua works, has a release, and has a good community around > > it of > >>>>> people like Lewis, > >>>>> Tommaso, and others that I think it would withstand even your > > development > >>>>> departure. It could > >>>>> also make a good academic/learning tool and could be something we > > could > >>>>> focus on getting new > >>>>> GSOC projects to add in the NeuralMT stuff. > >>>>> > >>>>> If you are OK with that I think we should proceed. Let me know and > > thanks. > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers, > >>>>> Chris > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 9/25/17, 11:24 PM, "Matt Post" <p...@cs.jhu.edu> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi everyone, > >>>>> > >>>>> I think now is as good time a time as any to mention my feelings > > about > >>>>> Joshua. You may have noticed that I haven't done much active > > development > >>>>> over the past year; you likely also know that the reason is that the > >>>>> research community has shifted entirely from work on statistical > > models to > >>>>> work on neural machine translation. On the research side, neural > > models now > >>>>> consistently outperform phrase-based systems on BLEU score on language > >>>>> pairs where there is enough data (roughly, around 15 million words of > >>>>> training), and work there has injected a lot of new life into a field > > that > >>>>> many had felt was starting to stagnate. From a production standpoint, > >>>>> neural systems are also a big win: the models do best with a GPU and > > take > >>>>> some time to train, but the architecture and pipeline are simpler, > > and the > >>>>> resulting models are constant-sized and on the order of a few > > gigabytes at > >>>>> most, instead of scaling with training data into the tens of > > gigabytes, as > >>>>> statistical systems do. Test-time inference can also be run fairly > >>>>> efficiently on CPUs where throughput demands are low enough. All > > commercial > >>>>> systems are now neural or are quickly moving in that direction, > > including > >>>>> relatively surprising places like Systran, which until recently was > > known > >>>>> as the world's best-known rule-based system. As GPUs become more > > ubiquitous > >>>>> and cheap, this situation is only going to get better, even for the > > end > >>>>> user. There is little doubt that neural MT has supplanted statistical > >>>>> approaches to machine translation, across both academic research and > >>>>> industry. And it is still in its relative infancy, with lots of > > interesting > >>>>> research problems and engineering issues to investigate and resolve. > >>>>> > >>>>> It's somewhat sad for me because I've been working on or with > > Joshua > >>>>> for almost seven years, but I also find my feelings here interesting > > in > >>>>> contrast to a previous time I've felt tugged away from Joshua. As > > many of > >>>>> you know, Philipp Koehn joined JHU a few years ago, which brought some > >>>>> tension to JHU with respect to collaborating on research. There was > >>>>> pressure for me to switch. Moses had a much bigger development > > community > >>>>> and was much more feature rich, but despite this, I was reluctant to > > let go > >>>>> of Joshua, for a number of reasons. Java is nicer to work with than > > C++ > >>>>> (and not really that much slower); our code is better written, IMO; > > jar > >>>>> files are easier to distribute than C++ in compiled or source form; > > and, of > >>>>> course, I had much more familiarity with the codebase, not to mention > >>>>> something of a personal stake in Joshua. But with neural MT, I have > > none of > >>>>> these reservations. It's nice for one to have the Moses/Joshua tension > >>>>> resolved (sometimes, ignoring a problem does make it go away!), but > > for all > >>>>> the reasons I listed in the opening paragraph, NMT is now the clear > > way to > >>>>> go. And the bottom line for me is that I can no longer justify > > spending > >>>>> time on Joshua during my working hours, and with a young family and > > other > >>>>> interests that I want to pursue, I don't have time for it outside of > > work. > >>>>> I am happy to still linger on the project, but am unlikely to be much > > of an > >>>>> active participant unless I'm explicitly asked for something. > >>>>> > >>>>> As I've written before here, I think there may still some role for > >>>>> statistical systems, and therefore, for Joshua. In low-resource > > situations, > >>>>> StatMT may still be the right approach overall, or even simply the > > best way > >>>>> to quickly build up a working system. There is some promise I think in > >>>>> deploying models easily on older hardware that people have, and > > perhaps > >>>>> getting people to hep contribute translations and translation > > memories that > >>>>> could be used to build and improve systems. There are surely more good > >>>>> ideas in this space in the vein of providing a good tool to users. > >>>>> > >>>>> It's been a great experience for me working with the Apache > > community > >>>>> on Joshua. I am grateful to Chris for convincing us to make Joshua an > >>>>> Apache incubator project, which put a lot of new life into the > > project. > >>>>> Lewis has been a lot of help throughout helping smooth over the > > transition; > >>>>> Tommaso has repeatedly helped with tasks large and small; and that is > > just > >>>>> three of you. It's too bad therefore that the timing just didn't work > > out, > >>>>> but neural MT ascended very rapidly. I know there are other members > > here > >>>>> who are also thinking along these lines. At the same time, I hope my > >>>>> departure from active development doesn’t mean the end of the project > > for > >>>>> those of you who wish to keep working on it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>> matt > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Le 25 sept. 2017 à 23:10, Tommaso Teofili <tommaso.teof...@gmail.com > >> > >>>>> a écrit : > >>>>>> I would also think we're ready for graduation. > >>>>>> My only concern relates to how many of the current committers are > >>>>> willing > >>>>>> to keep contributing to the project, basically if we have a PMC > >>>>> which is > >>>>>> big enough for the graduation. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>> Tommaso > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Il giorno sab 23 set 2017 alle ore 01:21 Chris Mattmann < > >>>>> mattm...@apache.org> > >>>>>> ha scritto: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Tom, glad you raised this issue, IMO, Joshua is ready for TLP. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> We’ve: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 1. Added new PPMC/committers > >>>>>>> 2. Made a release > >>>>>>> 3. Been friendly and cordial and welcoming on the lists > >>>>>>> 4. Vetted the software > >>>>>>> 5. Have some decent, emerging docs > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Graduation time…Thoughts? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>>> Chris > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> P.S. Subject line change to officially turn this into a [DISCUSS] > >>>>> and > >>>>>>> hopefully > >>>>>>> a [VOTE] > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 9/22/17, 4:19 PM, "Tom Barber" <t...@spicule.co.uk> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So I've not checked against the checklist on the podling page > >>>>> yet, but > >>>>>>> what > >>>>>>> do people feel is missing from Joshua prior to graduation? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'd like to see some non mentors ship a release so we know we've > >>>>> got > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> docs right, but of course it doesn't have to be a major release. > >>>>>>> Similarly > >>>>>>> was all the licensing stuff resolved etc? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I'm curious as its not a very fast paced project and it feels > >>>>> like ones > >>>>>>> like Joshua could sit in the incubator for years without causing > >>>>> much > >>>>>>> trouble but also not graduating. I'm not in any great rush, but > >>>>> what do > >>>>>>> people feel about it? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Tom > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > >> Spicule Limited is registered in England & Wales. Company Number: > > 09954122. Registered office: First Floor, Telecom House, 125-135 Preston > > Road, Brighton, England, BN1 6AF. VAT No. 251478891. > >> > >> > >> All engagements are subject to Spicule Terms and Conditions of Business. > > This email and its contents are intended solely for the individual to whom > > it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, > > privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure, distributing or copying. > > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > > author and do not necessarily represent those of Spicule Limited. The > > company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted > > by this email. 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