M C wrote:
Warning: This is my personal opinion so be prepared to possibly disagree :-)

As a consultant I do work ranging from Microsoft .NET, Java to Ruby/Rails so I get lots of impressions of what is good/bad in all worlds.

One of the (few :-)) great things of the Microsoft platform is how integrated and singular everything is. F.ex. Visual studio has everything you need in one product out of the box. Compare this with java world where users may have to chose between 50 different frameworks/libraries followed by more or less extensive configuration since the different pieces are not integrated. In particular for THE java IDE, eclipse, before the product is really useful, the user has to know to go to update the product with extensions for their particular needs as the standard download only comes with basic features which are likely to suit only a few.

Let's not repeat Java's mistake of non-integration in Ruby/JRuby. In my view, it is already getting awfully complicated with all the extensions and basic addons to JRuby. I say that JDBC, Goldspike, JRuby servlet and other great basic extras should all be integrated in one integrated distribution that we can point developers to (in addition you could add a JRuby-basic download for experts). Besides being easier for ordinary developers, this would also send a more powerful message about the real scope of JRuby's Java support!.

Just my $0.2

Hi Morten,

You know I don't wholeheartedly agree with this approach. On the other hand, it would make sense to package a downloadable JRuby on Rails-package, which a customized war.rb for Derby use, and things like that.

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Ola Bini (http://ola-bini.blogspot.com) JvYAML, RbYAML, JRuby and Jatha contributor
System Developer, Karolinska Institutet (http://www.ki.se)
OLogix Consulting (http://www.ologix.com)

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