Charles Oliver Nutter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev:I think we should follow
Linux's model here, not Microsoft's. For JRuby,
that means keeping the core lean and compact, not adding in every new
feature that comes along. This has caused some other language impls like
Groovy to now require tens of megabytes of dependencies. What we should
continue to do is cultivate these projects separately, as well as
cultivating alternative distributions of JRuby that include some or all
of them.
Not everyone wants a swing builder. Not everyone wants Rails. Not
everyone wants all these extra pieces that aren't required to run Ruby.
So we should not force it on them.
I am not trying to sound like a die-hard Microsoft-fan here (which I am not!),
but one problem with the Linux was is that there are so many alternative
distributions, packing formats, user-interfaces etc. This makes it hard to
actually provide complete products (like Oracle, drivers or graphics
applications) that actually works across distributions without extensive
configuration work for the provider and the user.
Providing ONE integrated software download besides a basic download like it is
done now is NOT a question about taking choice away from users (expert users
that want the choice can just use the basic download and put things together
themselves like they do now).
Integration is about making it easier for new developers to get started and
fully grasp what can be done with JRuby without the extensive knowledge that
you on the core team has. It is also about providing an integrated solution
that other developers can depend on and refer to. Finally, it is about sending
a message that the extras are fully "supported" by JRuby (and not just some
experimental thingys).
Anyway, this is just my opinion of what would benefit JRuby and its users. I am
not going to run screaming for the hills if I can't persuade you guys :-) ...
And no, I don't think making my own alternative all-in-one distribution would
be a good idea. Either it is official or it is not work doing.
/Morten
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