Hi David, One of the problems I see is that the KIP index page has a 1-to-many relationship between KIP and release. I guess we might want to turn this to a many-to-many qualified relationship. Otherwise it might be complicated for the release manager or the KIP driver(s) to keep the Release Plan page up-to-date for the different steps.
Another alternative would be to have special sub-tasks in JIRA that would indicate the state of the KIP, then using the "fixed version" label they'll be included in the release notes and the Release Manager can look for these special ones when writing announcements or making sure the release notes are up-to-date. Best, On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 3:54 PM David Jacot <dja...@confluent.io.invalid> wrote: > Hi Josep, > > Thanks for starting the discussion. > > We used Early Access, Preview and GA (or Production Ready) for KIP-848 and > I find it pretty nice. We could add the tentative release plan to the KIP's > header and it could be used as the source of truth. > > Best, > David > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 11:53 AM Josep Prat <josep.p...@aiven.io.invalid> > wrote: > > > Hi Andrew, > > I can definitely write a KIP, but before doing so I'd like to gather some > > feedback from the community around these steps and how they are perceived > > by different groups of people. > > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 11:50 AM Andrew Schofield < > > andrew_schofi...@live.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Josep, > > > I think it’s high time that this was tackled. I suggest that it would > be > > > best > > > handled as a KIP because then we have a document which can be discussed > > > and improved, followed by a formal vote. > > > > > > A standard set of terms with agreed meanings would be very helpful for > > > some of the larger KIPs which take many releases to be properly ready > for > > > prime time. Most KIPs don’t need this, but a handful definitely do. > > > > > > Personally, I like the sequence that KIP-848 has taken, moving from > Early > > > Access, to Preview, and finally complete. I intend to follow the same > > > sequence > > > for KIP-932. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Andrew > > > > > > > On 31 Jul 2024, at 10:15, Josep Prat <josep.p...@aiven.io.INVALID> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Also as part of this discussion I would like to flag that we need to > be > > > > able to know how we can flag this properly so it's known for the > > Release > > > > Manager. > > > > For example, a KIP is approved, the Jira associated with it is being > > > worked > > > > on. Release happens, Jira is still open, how can we flag that this > KIP > > is > > > > in early access, or preview? > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 11:03 AM Josep Prat <josep.p...@aiven.io> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hi Kafka devs, > > > >> > > > >> Lately we started using "early access", "production ready" and also > > > >> "preview" to determine the grade of "production readiness" of the > > > features > > > >> we deliver to our community. > > > >> However, as far as I know, there is no official definition from the > > > Apache > > > >> Kafka side on which are the graduation steps for features and what > > type > > > of > > > >> "guarantees" each of these offer. > > > >> > > > >> I think we should agree on which terms we should use and what each > of > > > >> these exactly mean in terms of reliability. So far it seems we have > > this > > > >> graduation steps: > > > >> - Early Access: Feature is just complete but not yet fully polished > > and > > > >> maybe not used in production in many environments > > > >> - Preview: Feature was early access before and it underwent at > least a > > > >> cycle of improvements and fixes and it's used in some production > > > >> environments maybe > > > >> - Production ready: Feature is officially released and it fulfills > the > > > >> expected initial needs > > > >> > > > >> Note that we don't offer any guarantees or SLA/SLO in the classical > > > term. > > > >> > > > >> Is this something we can agree on? What do those terms mean to you? > Do > > > we > > > >> need more steps? 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