Hi David,
great feedback, thank you so much !
By the way, I should be in the bay the second week of December. If some
users/devs want to share a beer and chat about Karaf, please let me know.
Thanks !
Regards
JB
On 11/12/2015 03:03 PM, [email protected] wrote:
A big +1 to getting others in the community involved. I don't think it
is a lack of features that scares people away or draws them to karaf but
the lack of tooling. I chose karaf because I liked the idea of OSGI and
the features(capability) made it the easiest to get started, deploy my
bundles and include needed dependencies. It was this ease of use and
ability to integrate well with maven that helped my decision. I think
huge strides have been made by bndtools, enroute and others in the
community on the tooling side this past year and would love to see those
capabilities integrate with karaf as easily and seamlessly as maven
currently does. I don't think the issue is not enough exposure. I work
in the US government sector and almost a half billion dollars a year
http://www.c4isrnet.com/story/military-tech/2015/02/03/enterprise-services-emerging-tech-among-budget-big-winners/22820277/
runs on top of karaf based government open source solutions
https://github.com/di2e/ecdr https://github.com/codice/ddf Contractors
and others integrating with those systems have to learn karaf. I think
if the tooling was stronger then those people would be more likely to
take it to their other projects. I also went to an OpenDaylight hackfest
for people who would be new to ODL
http://www.meetup.com/Software-Defined-Networking-Group-Baltimore-Washington/events/225629519/
and more time had to be spent explaining karaf/osgi than ODL. I love
karaf and osgi but think rather than not emphasizing osgi to try and get
more people, it would be better to document and improve the tooling to
make it as painless as possible. I think that is what karaf has brought
to me.
My 2 cents,
David Daniel
On 2015-11-12 03:35, Christian Schneider wrote:
The visual design looks great and quite professional. It looks more like a
company website though. So people might raise their marketing blabla shields on
that optic.
The current main message is also too abstract and too much like typical
marketing speech. In any case the most important thing is that we need to
followup marketing slogans
with concrete little snippets and statistics that prove them.
I also think we should focus more on the community aspect than the product on
our site. In my opinion this is the main difference between open source and
commercial offerings. We need to invite people to discuss and help.
So I think some social network integration would be really important. For
example we could show current tweets or a presentation/talk of the day. So
people have some positive feedback if they promote karaf. We could also have a
community member of the day or similar. People could add a picture and some
text of how they use karaf. We could then show one of those profiles each day.
2.
The new style for documentation looks great. On that side we should try to make it easier
to work on the docs for non committers. So for example we could add a link on each page
to the doc source on github. So people can easily edit the doc and submit changes as pull
requests. So something like an "edit page" link like in confluence.
3.
Meetups would be really great. I think we should also try to get some people
from Eclipse and the OSGi alliance to join us. We really need to work on
converging these communities.
Do you already have an idea about a good place to meet?
Christian
On 12.11.2015 07:54, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
Hi all, I already discussed with some of you about my plan on Karaf marketing.
I think clearly that we had a great project, a great team, a great tool, but
we're not really good in term of promotion and marketing. Especially, we have
to be clear in the message and the projects that we deliver. For instance,
again, I'm sure that karaf-boot is a huge step forward in Karaf adoption. I'm
not sure that all users are aware and know the purpose of Cellar, Cave,
Decanter, and even some Karaf areas. In order to improve the Karaf marketing
area, I would like to propose the following plan: 1. More professional website
I think we have to improve both the content and the look'n feel of the website.
In term of content, I think it makes sense to not emphasize on OSGi. The fact
that Karaf runs OSGi is not really interesting for most of end users (of
course, it is for advanced/power users). We have to explain that Karaf is
modern and multi-purpose container. More over, with karaf-boot, it
becomes
also a bootstrapper and "run anywhere" paradigm platform. So, I started a new
website, changing the look'n feel (to give a more professional shape) and the content
(changing the marketing message): http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/ [1] I
will complete the website today (some cleanup, other pages than the home one, etc), but
it already gives you an idea. 2. New guides/documentation I'm working on the improvement
in term of content of the documentation. Especially, the dev guide will be more straight
forward, providing recipes for users. All guides will use asciidoc now. You can already
see the kind of output on the Decanter guide:
http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html [2] All Karaf guides (and
subprojects) will be rendered in a popup using such look'n feel. 3. Meetups I plan to
organize a Karaf Meetup beginning of 2016. I have some sponsors in mind. The purpose is
to meet most of Karaf users, devs, and enthusiasts. I will give you more detai
ls
soon.
Thoughts ? Regards JB
Links:
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[1] http://maven.nanthrax.net/goodies/karaf/site/
[2] http://karaf.apache.org/manual/decanter/latest-1/index.html
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[email protected]
http://blog.nanthrax.net
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