Gregor J. Rothfuss wrote:
Michael Wechner wrote:
Also I think we should send some feedback to Seth Gottlieb about
stuff which
is wrong (some might depend on the perception) and he will hopefully
fix.
what did you think was wrong? i thought it was pretty accurate,
including the paragraph on community.
to start with the egocentric first:
- I don't think this quotation by myself is really right resp. that I
ever said it this way:
"The idea of Lenya is to offer a CM Framework by enhancing Cocoon,
which incubated Lenya prior to
release 1.2 in September 2004 by CM components, but also a CMS 'nearly
out of the box.'"
but yes the "content" seems to be right:
- Lenya shall be a CM Framework by offering components such as
workflow, access-control, resource-type, navigation,
editor/ui-interfaces, repository-interfaces, etc.
- Lenya shall offer a CMS out-of-the-box by offering
publications/publets/modules with standard out-of-the-box functionality
- Lenya was incubated in spring 2003
- Lenya became a top-level project in September 2004
- Lenya is based on Cocoon
Second the following sentence seems to me misleading:
"After having difficulty getting people to contribute to the project
because of its close
ties to a single company, Wyona donated Lenya to the Apache Software
Foundation."
It's true that we had difficulty growing the community because of its
close ties to Wyona (and other reasons), but that
wasn't the reason we donated it to the ASF.
We were asked by the ASF to donate it (for various reasons and I believe
we proved that it was a good choice).
Third: "The largest installation is NZZ ..."
well, NZZ is a large and prestigious installation, but there are many
more if you take a closer
look at for the live-sites page or for instance the Wyona customer
list/press releases, among others "Wired News" which
is owned by Lycos and has many more pageviews than NZZ. Or Combots which
is an offspring of Web.de and
has the intention to become bigger than web.de ever was.
ok, so far for the "marketing" stuff ...
Fourth:
I am not sure how to understand the sentence: "where editors and readers
have different views of the same site."
It seems to me that it is quite the opposite ....
Fifth:
I think it would be worth mentioning that Lenya also has interfaces for
Xopus, FCK and has built in form based editors.
Also that in the 1.4.x version one can use OpenOffice resp. OpenDocument
natively (whereas I have to admit that this
feature isn't fully functional yes, but will be soon), but generally
speaking Lenya allows arbitrary editor integration ...
Sixth:
The community has certainly not slowed, but rather increased. Just take
a look at the statitics resp. the traffic
on the mailing list and commit messages with actual content resp,
quality of changes.
One should not deduce from oneself's activity to that of others ....
Seventh:
Well, it's true we haven't released 1.2.5 on schedule and should do this
as soon as possible and we are also
very bad at marketing ( ... two more days till releasing ... one more
day till releasing ... ), but
1.4 has certainly not stalled at all, and people still actively apply
bugfixes to 1.2.x.
So, it seems to me perception is one thing, and actually knowing is
something else, but I don't blame
Seth for having a different perception, but really appreciate his
efforts by pointing it out and maybe
make people jump (as myself for instance), because perception is often
the "truth".
And I would really like to thank Seth for this.
"The war is over!"
"Why? It cannot be over."
"It is. I have seen it, resp. they said so in the news on TV"
Michi
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Michael Wechner
Wyona - Open Source Content Management - Apache Lenya
http://www.wyona.com http://lenya.apache.org
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