... and if you're like me who is not certified but still develops with it it would be nice to have access to this material too.
- Peter -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Pope [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 April 2004 10:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK I think such a place would be a great idea :�) There must be marketing /promotional documents about with various comparisons of CF to ASP.NET / PHP etc and their advantages over them .. The problem I find is that if I'm trying to 'sell' the idea of CF to a client I never know where to go to get that sort of documentation that marketing / MD types like to see, its all well and good to bombard them with very technical information but sometimes they need to see the propaganda :�). When I passed my CF exam I was kind of expecting to receive access to a MM area for certified developers where one could get all of this type of information to become a CF evangelist of sorts ( I see it as, if you studied and paid for the exam I don't see why you wouldn't want to shout its advantages from the roof-tops ) I was left feeling abit abandoned (ok I got a badge and some logos w00t !) and my motivation was a bit knocked. I think if MM just provided us with some tool/docs I don't see why existing CF users wouldn't help get the CF name promoted a bit more widely. My two penne'th worth :�) Stephen -----Original Message----- From: stephen RAdams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 April 2004 09:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK Would others be interested? And what would we like to see on the site? Stephen Adams -----Original Message----- From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 April 2004 09:06 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK Sounds like a good idea, I'd be happy to donate some time on such a project. I'd especially like to see the idea of online meetings/seminars/presentations explored. It would be nice to overcome the location/time issue people have with attending meetings. Also it would be nice to know exactly what services Macromedia offer that we can tap into if needed, for example I had no idea we had a MM Partner team we could call on. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Matt Horn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 April 2004 07:59 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK I agree I have moved back to South Africa and have like 7 years CF experience but not many people here have heard of Coldfusion but every designer knows about Flash ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephen RAdams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK Hi Lucas, Thanks for getting back to us, (but on your holiday, wow). Anyway I think, from my perspective what I'd like to see in the UK is the name of ColdFusion being promoted better. If you go to a large organisation like BT and you say "we can build a site for you in half the time, but using ColdFusion instead of ASP or Java" would they know what ColdFusion is and if they have heard of the name, would they know enough about CF to know what all the benefits of using CF over other products are. I do like the idea that Mark Woods said of having a site just dedicated to ColdFusion like www.asp.net. At the moment if you say that CF is by Macromedia, they would probably say "oh, don't they make Flash". Everyone has heard of Flash, why can't Macromedia make a name of CF as they have with Flash? If MM were willing to support a ColdFusion specific site I am sure that there would be developers out there willing to spend some of their free time developing the site. Stephen Adams -----Original Message----- From: Lucas Sherwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 April 2004 18:25 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK Hey Stephen et al, So I am the MM guy here... But I am not really sure what you would like us to say. So these are my thoughts, not those of the company I work for. CF represents MMs third largest product and we sink hundreds of hours speaking to User groups, speaking to developers and customers. There are many on this list that know that I am basicly at every MMUG and CFUG that I can get to (I am currently in SF on holiday, in a park and still reading this list - gotta love wireless) I am reminded of a phrase, we help those who help themselves. I traveled to the largest usergroup meeting that the northern usergroup had. It was 20 people. Not really compelling for MM to pay the train fair for that. MM's partner team are more than happy to come to almost any end user meeting that you care to have (as long as you can show that there will be revenue) and help you pitch CF And as for the comment about CF evangelists, I guess that is what I am... That is what my card says anyway... L. -- Lucas Sherwood Evangelist - Server Products Macromedia EMEA -----Original Message----- From: stephen RAdams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 April 2004 12:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK OK, so far we sound as though we agreed, CF in the UK could be and should be better supported, but how can we make MM aware of this. No one from MM has replied to this list. Should we post of CF-talk list or in the Macromedia Forums. It would be nice to get an official response from someone in MM. Stephen Adams Web Developer/Information Sharing Community Partnerships -----Original Message----- From: Steve Powell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 April 2004 12:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Steve Powell Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK I've implemented ColdFusion systems at a number of fairly big names. Like others here I've encountered resistence because finding CF developers isn't straight forward (it isn't something our Project Managers have heard of) they also like to know that there are other companies out there using it, a kind of safety in numbers thing. I've often had to compile lists of comapnies that use it and also demonstrate that there are enough CF dvelopers available to cover their needs once we've left. I think the usage of CF is grossly under-reported. I've seen quite a few installations at places that you wouldn't immediately think of as well as knowing about a number of Intranet apps that aren't exactly visible. All of this would benefit from a higher profile and generally greater awareness. MM in the UK provide precious little support outside of CFUGUK and not that much for CFUKUG. MM UK have had a poor reputation for years, you should have tried getting support out of them for Director (their flagship product) 5 years ago. Almost everything gets referred to the US as the guys here are all sales and not much else. What the solution to this is though I have no idea. 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