Is there anyone here who can, as a CFUG rep, email MM directly for an official line regarding our concerns and MM's plans? Our discussion all sounds positive, but the idea of a proper CF site shouldn't be new. We just need to pass it on to MM directly and get some decent feedback.
Paolo > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Harrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 15 April 2004 10:26 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK > > > ... and if you're like me who is not certified but still > develops with it it would be nice to have access to this material too. > > - Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Pope [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 15 April 2004 10:01 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK > > > I think such a place would be a great idea :�) > > There must be marketing /promotional documents about with > various comparisons of CF to ASP.NET / PHP etc and their > advantages over them .. The problem I find is that if I'm > trying to 'sell' the idea of CF to a client I never know > where to go to get that sort of documentation that marketing > / MD types like to see, its all well and good to bombard them > with very technical information but sometimes they need to > see the propaganda :�). > > When I passed my CF exam I was kind of expecting to receive > access to a MM area for certified developers where one could > get all of this type of information to become a CF evangelist > of sorts ( I see it as, if you studied and paid for the exam > I don't see why you wouldn't want to shout its advantages > from the roof-tops ) I was left feeling abit abandoned (ok I > got a badge and some logos w00t !) and my motivation was a > bit knocked. I think if MM just provided us with some > tool/docs I don't see why existing CF users wouldn't help get > the CF name promoted a bit more widely. > > My two penne'th worth :�) > > Stephen > > -----Original Message----- > From: stephen RAdams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 15 April 2004 09:40 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK > > Would others be interested? And what would we like to see on the site? > > Stephen Adams > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 15 April 2004 09:06 > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK > > Sounds like a good idea, I'd be happy to donate some time on > such a project. > > I'd especially like to see the idea of online > meetings/seminars/presentations explored. It would be nice > to overcome > the > location/time issue people have with attending meetings. > > Also it would be nice to know exactly what services > Macromedia offer that we can tap into if needed, for example > I had no idea we had a MM Partner team we could call on. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Horn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 15 April 2004 07:59 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK > > > I agree > > I have moved back to South Africa and have like 7 years CF experience > but > not many people here have heard of Coldfusion but every designer knows > about > Flash > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "stephen RAdams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 9:47 AM > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK > > > Hi Lucas, > > Thanks for getting back to us, (but on your holiday, wow). Anyway I > think, > from my perspective what I'd like to see in the UK is the name of > ColdFusion > being promoted better. If you go to a large organisation like > BT and you > say > "we can build a site for you in half the time, but using ColdFusion > instead > of ASP or Java" would they know what ColdFusion is and if they have > heard of > the name, would they know enough about CF to know what all > the benefits > of > using CF over other products are. > > I do like the idea that Mark Woods said of having a site just > dedicated > to > ColdFusion like www.asp.net. At the moment if you say that CF is by > Macromedia, they would probably say "oh, don't they make Flash". > Everyone > has heard of Flash, why can't Macromedia make a name of CF as > they have > with > Flash? > > If MM were willing to support a ColdFusion specific site I am > sure that > there would be developers out there willing to spend some of > their free > time > developing the site. > > Stephen Adams > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lucas Sherwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 14 April 2004 18:25 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK > > Hey Stephen et al, > So I am the MM guy here... > But I am not really sure what you would like us to say. So > these are my > thoughts, not those of the company I work for. > > CF represents MMs third largest product and we sink hundreds of hours > speaking to User groups, speaking to developers and customers. > > There are many on this list that know that I am basicly at every MMUG > and > CFUG that I can get to (I am currently in SF on holiday, in a park and > still > reading this list - gotta love wireless) > > I am reminded of a phrase, we help those who help themselves. > I traveled to the largest usergroup meeting that the northern > usergroup > had. > It was 20 people. Not really compelling for MM to pay the > train fair for > that. > > MM's partner team are more than happy to come to almost any end user > meeting > that you care to have (as long as you can show that there will be > revenue) > and help you pitch CF > > And as for the comment about CF evangelists, I guess that is what I > am... > That is what my card says anyway... L. > -- > Lucas Sherwood > Evangelist - Server Products > Macromedia EMEA > -----Original Message----- > From: stephen RAdams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 14 April 2004 12:16 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK > > OK, so far we sound as though we agreed, CF in the UK could be and > should be > better supported, but how can we make MM aware of this. No one from MM > has > replied to this list. Should we post of CF-talk list or in the > Macromedia > Forums. It would be nice to get an official response from > someone in MM. > > Stephen Adams > Web Developer/Information Sharing > Community Partnerships > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Powell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 14 April 2004 12:19 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Steve Powell > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK > > I've implemented ColdFusion systems at a number of fairly big names. > > Like others here I've encountered resistence because finding CF > developers > isn't straight forward (it isn't something our Project Managers have > heard > of) they also like to know that there are other companies out there > using > it, a kind of safety in numbers thing. > > I've often had to compile lists of comapnies that use it and also > demonstrate that there are enough CF dvelopers available to > cover their > needs once we've left. > > I think the usage of CF is grossly under-reported. I've seen > quite a few > installations at places that you wouldn't immediately think of as well > as > knowing about a number of Intranet apps that aren't exactly visible. > > All of this would benefit from a higher profile and generally greater > awareness. > > MM in the UK provide precious little support outside of CFUGUK and not > that > much for CFUKUG. MM UK have had a poor reputation for years, > you should > have > tried getting support out of them for Director (their > flagship product) > 5 > years ago. > > Almost everything gets referred to the US as the guys here > are all sales > and > not much else. > > What the solution to this is though I have no idea. > > Steve > > > > > > -- > These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at > http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- > *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: *ActivePDF > provided > by activepdf.com* > *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by > proworkflow.com* > *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by > gradwell.com* > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at > http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > Archive: 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