Now theres an idea :) -----Original Message----- From: Paolo Piponi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 April 2004 10:58 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK
Except, I suppose, if MM ever get bored of CF they can always hand it over to the community. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 15 April 2004 11:52 > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK > > > To be honest, I think its OK to charge, Since the benefits > are there to > justify the expenditure. > > What MM need to do is to proactively justify the cost, by > better marketing > of the product and the benefits. And at the same time provide us with > sufficient resources so that we can do the same. > > M > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Harrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 15 April 2004 10:49 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK > > > <kneejerkreaction> > <cf_makeCFserverFree/> > </kneejerkreaction> > > - Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Johnston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 15 April 2004 11:32 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK > > > I think it's fair to say that while MM haven't done enough, it's not > like they've been doing nothing all this time. I do however > feel that > on some occasions, the user groups in the UK and Europe shoot > themselves > in the foot! > > Let's face it. Currently, CF isn't a widely used, widely > known platform > for building web apps. It may be the one of the best out > there in terms > of speed of dev and maintainability (allegedly) BUT I am > concerned that > MM's current strategy is very North American based. I wonder > what the > usefulness of pushing stuff in this country would be... > > We all know of "the best products" not getting market share. Look at > Mac's (the cross-browser's worst enemy) and how little of the market > they have, even though they have easily been the best > usability wise for > years. The Microsoft Platform was in no way the best when it was > launched. It all came down to marketing and IBM had a huge amount to > play in that. > > I think a lot of MM's loss of market share is to do with the > fact that > the internet has changed, and JSP/PHP/ASP are effectively > "free" server > products to the end user. I reckon that in this country, CF is too > highly priced, and not marketed well enough. Probably the best > indication of this, is that the "who uses CF in the UK?" is > asked a huge > amount. Maybe a hint that there are UK based companies in > the showcase > on http://www.macromedia.co.uk could be a sensible place to point > people? But the problem is, that this is often a FLASH > showcase and not > a CF showcase. > > Anyway... enough of a rant! I want CF to survive and thrive again, so > that we can ALL benefit from it! Come on MM... no-one's > blaming you for > stuff, but PLEASE can you provide more info for those > developers who are > trying to sell to others! We ALL need to be CF evangelists! > > Paul > > -- > These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at > http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- > *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: > *ActivePDF provided > by activepdf.com* > *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by > proworkflow.com* > *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by > gradwell.com* > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at > http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- > *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: > *ActivePDF provided > by activepdf.com* > *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by > proworkflow.com* > *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by > gradwell.com* > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at > http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- > *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: > *ActivePDF provided by activepdf.com* > *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow > provided by proworkflow.com* > *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists > hosted by gradwell.com* > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: *ActivePDF provided by activepdf.com* *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by proworkflow.com* *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by gradwell.com* To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: *ActivePDF provided by activepdf.com* *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by proworkflow.com* *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by gradwell.com* To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
