RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK

[Lucas Sherwood]

Hi Duncan, I agree. CF 5 is still cool and people still have good sites in it…   But I would need to get someone with money to pay someone to write the case study, chase the legal sign off etc… now I know that right off the cuff, that would be hard because it is CF 5. We do not sell CF5. it is that simple.   MM needs to make money, not just to keep us going but also to keep you going. You all have a rare and valuable skill. You are CF developers. But if MM disappears, then you are not CF developers anymore. I know it sounds harsh but that is basicly what it comes down to.   L.   From: Duncan Fenton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 April 2004 3:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK   I'm the first to admit that I don't know a lot about the differences CF5->CF6.  But >>if<< you cannot talk about a site because it is not on the latest greatest version there would be a lot more wrong with MM marketing than a little lack of collateral.   The ability to manage upgrades on the customer's schedule rather than on the supplier's schedule is an important selection criterion.  This would also exacerbate the 'skills shortage' myth, if I believed I would have to look for CF-ers of the right vintage.   The message needs to be 'CF is great', not 'this version is great'.  [Then when you upgrade it stays great and gets greater, or whatever :-) ] Duncan Fenton  ======================================== Message date : Apr 15 2004, 03:23 PM >From : "Damian Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copy to : Subject : RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK I don’t think that should matter… they’re still promoting sites from 2002 so what does that tell you!   -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Pope [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 April 2004 15:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK   Just to clarify .. MM prolly wouldn't want to promote a CF5 site hehe   From: Stephen Pope Sent: 15 April 2004 15:20 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK But its ColdFusion 5 :�) From: Damian Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 April 2004 15:17 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK Well surely some of the DfES stuff is worth mentioning i.e. TeacherNet… the whole department more or less exclusively uses ColdFusion and spends (probably) in the millions per year on CF driven websites… Damo – submit it as a showcase!� So Macromedia have one big government client – why don’t I see more evangelizing to other departments… US gov has a huge CF presence if I’m not mistaken and the UK government usually does anything they say in IT…   For small-medium clients there needs to be quick and dirty statistical information from somewhere authoritative to show that   a) development time can be reduced b) code can be more easily redeveloped c) costs can be kept down   As someone else said, it’s a question of positioning not quality of product…   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 April 2004 12:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK   would it be an idea to compile a list of good CF sites? Maybe hand it to MM on a plate?! -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 April 2004 11:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK those two were sites of the day in spring 2002.  Has there really not been any UK CF sites worth mentioning in the last 2 years?   Paul Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 15/04/2004 11:37 Please respond to dev                 To:        [EMAIL PROTECTED]         cc:                 Subject:        Re: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK Matt Horn wrote: >>Anyway... enough of a rant! I want CF to survive and thrive again, so >>that we can ALL benefit from it! Come on MM... no-one's blaming you for >>stuff, but PLEASE can you provide more info for those developers who are >>trying to sell to others!  We ALL need to be CF evangelists! >> >>Paul > > > Amen! >   > Matt Horn > Church of Cold Fusion Thank you brother for your support! For those interested, the ColdFusion "showcase" (of 2 sites) on the MM UK site: http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/showcase/index.cfm?event=finder&productid=13189&loc=en_gb Paul -- These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: *ActivePDF provided by activepdf.com*      *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by proworkflow.com*           *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by gradwell.com* To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. 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