Well, Snake, seeing as I kind of started this topic; I would like to help you build up the CFDeveloper website. How can I help?
Stephen Adams -----Original Message----- From: Snake Hollywood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 April 2004 18:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK Well there are several magazines really pushing MM's MX products, Web pages Made easy, Practical Web Projects and a couple more by paragon publishing, and I have been plugging CFDeveloper to them as a resource for their readers to learn and use coldFusion, and traffic to the CFDeveloepr site is rather high. The only problem is that with only me running Cfdeveloper, not much new gets added. It could do with some additional resource to help build the site and add tutorials, code snippets and combine all the other online resources into one big central resource. I have been meaning to get the members involved more and build up a member submission area where members can add there own tips, tutorials, code snippets etc. But it's all a matter of time, and lack of. Russ Michaels Macromedia/Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer CFDeveloper The free resource and community for ColdFusion developer. http://www.cfdeveloper.co.uk Join the CFDeveloper discussion lists. To subscribe send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -----Original Message----- > From: stephen RAdams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 15 April 2004 08:48 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK > > > Hi Lucas, > > Thanks for getting back to us, (but on your holiday, wow). > Anyway I think, from my perspective what I'd like to see in > the UK is the name of ColdFusion being promoted better. If > you go to a large organisation like BT and you say "we can > build a site for you in half the time, but using ColdFusion > instead of ASP or Java" would they know what ColdFusion is > and if they have heard of the name, would they know enough > about CF to know what all the benefits of using CF over other > products are. > > I do like the idea that Mark Woods said of having a site just > dedicated to ColdFusion like www.asp.net. At the moment if > you say that CF is by Macromedia, they would probably say > "oh, don't they make Flash". Everyone has heard of Flash, why > can't Macromedia make a name of CF as they have with Flash? > > If MM were willing to support a ColdFusion specific site I am > sure that there would be developers out there willing to > spend some of their free time developing the site. > > Stephen Adams > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lucas Sherwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 14 April 2004 18:25 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK > > Hey Stephen et al, > So I am the MM guy here... > But I am not really sure what you would like us to say. So > these are my thoughts, not those of the company I work for. > > CF represents MMs third largest product and we sink hundreds > of hours speaking to User groups, speaking to developers and > customers. > > There are many on this list that know that I am basicly at > every MMUG and CFUG that I can get to (I am currently in SF > on holiday, in a park and still reading this list - gotta > love wireless) > > I am reminded of a phrase, we help those who help themselves. > I traveled to the largest usergroup meeting that the northern > usergroup had. It was 20 people. Not really compelling for MM > to pay the train fair for that. > > MM's partner team are more than happy to come to almost any > end user meeting that you care to have (as long as you can > show that there will be > revenue) > and help you pitch CF > > And as for the comment about CF evangelists, I guess that is > what I am... That is what my card says anyway... L. > -- > Lucas Sherwood > Evangelist - Server Products > Macromedia EMEA > -----Original Message----- > From: stephen RAdams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 14 April 2004 12:16 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK > > OK, so far we sound as though we agreed, CF in the UK could > be and should be better supported, but how can we make MM > aware of this. No one from MM has replied to this list. > Should we post of CF-talk list or in the Macromedia Forums. > It would be nice to get an official response from someone in MM. > > Stephen Adams > Web Developer/Information Sharing > Community Partnerships > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Powell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 14 April 2004 12:19 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Steve Powell > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] The state of ColdFusion in the UK > > I've implemented ColdFusion systems at a number of fairly big names. > > Like others here I've encountered resistence because finding > CF developers isn't straight forward (it isn't something our > Project Managers have heard of) they also like to know that > there are other companies out there using it, a kind of > safety in numbers thing. > > I've often had to compile lists of comapnies that use it and > also demonstrate that there are enough CF dvelopers available > to cover their needs once we've left. > > I think the usage of CF is grossly under-reported. I've seen > quite a few installations at places that you wouldn't > immediately think of as well as knowing about a number of > Intranet apps that aren't exactly visible. > > All of this would benefit from a higher profile and generally > greater awareness. > > MM in the UK provide precious little support outside of > CFUGUK and not that much for CFUKUG. MM UK have had a poor > reputation for years, you should have tried getting support > out of them for Director (their flagship product) 5 years ago. > > Almost everything gets referred to the US as the guys here > are all sales and not much else. > > What the solution to this is though I have no idea. > > Steve > > > > > > -- > These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at > http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- > *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: > *ActivePDF provided by activepdf.com* > *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by > proworkflow.com* > *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by > gradwell.com* > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at > http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- > *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: > *ActivePDF provided by activepdf.com* > *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by > proworkflow.com* > *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by > gradwell.com* > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at > http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- > *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: > *ActivePDF provided by activepdf.com* > *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by > proworkflow.com* > *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by > gradwell.com* > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at > http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- > *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: > *ActivePDF provided by activepdf.com* > *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow > provided by proworkflow.com* > *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists > hosted by gradwell.com* > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: *ActivePDF provided by activepdf.com* *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by proworkflow.com* *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by gradwell.com* To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- These lists are syncronised with the CFDeveloper forum at http://forum.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ CFDeveloper Sponsors and contributors:- *Hosting and support provided by CFMXhosting.co.uk* :: *ActivePDF provided by activepdf.com* *Forums provided by fusetalk.com* :: *ProWorkFlow provided by proworkflow.com* *Tutorials provided by helmguru.com* :: *Lists hosted by gradwell.com* To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
